no On Dec 11, 2:27 pm, Thadeus Burgess <thade...@thadeusb.com> wrote: > I have been thinking about hooks, and the best way to implement them. > I sent you an email a week or so ago about the subject did you get it? > > Do we have a wiki page for the wishlist? > > -Thadeus > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 2:04 PM, mdipierro <mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu> wrote: > > One thing I appreciate a lot these days is the DAL instead of ORM. > > > This is because I am working on a system with models derived > > automatically form some documentation and change rapidly as I progress > > in the documentation. It is very easy to parse text files, extract > > relations and build models dynamically with the DAL. T3 on GAE even > > stores models themselves in the database. With an ORM it would much > > more cumbersome. > > > Massimo > > > On Dec 11, 12:23 pm, Thadeus Burgess <thade...@thadeusb.com> wrote: > >> Summary: > > >> web2py: > >> simple, concise forms > >> python as a templating language > >> true model controller view cycle > >> friendly table definitions > >> sql-like query functions > >> automatic-migrations > >> ...so much more > > >> django: > >> database hooks > > >> The details: > > >> Django makes no logical sense... at least to an anal programmer like me :) > > >> web2py makes things simple. I can accomplish the same thing, in less > >> lines of code, and in a more logical sense with web2py. Just take > >> SQLFORM for example. It's simple. It's logical. It works, especially > >> SQLFORM.factory. Django introduces a lot of spaghetti code by design. > >> I have yet to see a django form that was actually useful that wasn't > >> spread across a few different files. (forms.py, views.py, etc...) > > >> Every time I go to write a django app, it seems I cannot create a > >> single view without having to define my own custom templatetag to do > >> what I want to accomplish. This is where web2py excels in having > >> python as its templating language. > > >> The main problem I have against django is the mindset of its design. > >> In my opinion, its logically backwards, its archaic, its spaghetti > >> string. This comes from the design being centred around the newsroom. > >> Django (in my opinion) breaks logical engineering standards. MCV > >> (web2py) vs MVT (django). Not that this effects how django performs, > >> but it hurts my brain. Web2py, doesn't hurt my brain. > > >> I also hate hate hate hate the way django defines models and queries. > >> Again it just seems like, it's trying too hard. I love in web2py that > >> you just define your fields, and in one string say what type it is, > >> and have that translated to your database. Also, queries, what is > >> django thinking? Why does the query have to be hidden behind an > >> archaic ill-logical double underscore syntax? I love that web2py's > >> queries are close to SQL, those SQL classes I took in college actually > >> mean something. Django queries, by design, make you think as a > >> non-programmer. Lastly, you can't beat automatic migrations during > >> development. > > >> That being said, there are things about django that I like, things > >> that one day I hope start inching their way into web2py. I would like > >> to have database hooks, something that was more behind the scenes that > >> .accepts(onvalidation=...).... actually that's about the only thing I > >> can think of django having that I wish web2py had. > > >> I know that many would disagree with me, especially those who use > >> django. It's just my opinion, and opinions are like butt holes, we all > >> have them, and they all stink. I do not want to start a flamewar > >> (which is why I kept it to a one liner in the first post), I am just > >> answering Yarkos question. > > >> -Thadeus > > >> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 11:19 PM, Yarko Tymciurak > > >> <resultsinsoftw...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > can you be more specific? What do you like more when you compare? > > >> > On Dec 10, 10:20 pm, Thadeus Burgess <thade...@thadeusb.com> wrote: > >> >> Everytime I look at a django app... it makes me so grateful for web2py > >> >> :) > > >> >> -Thadeus > > >> > -- > > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> > Groups "web2py-users" group. > >> > To post to this group, send email to web...@googlegroups.com. > >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> > web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >> > For more options, visit this group > >> > athttp://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en. > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "web2py-users" group. > > To post to this group, send email to web...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en. > >
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