i'll goto PyCon Asia Pacific : http://pycon.sit.rp.sg/conference-1 make the speech of: 35. PythoniCamp - Try to Train Practical Pythoners Fast
On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 16:47, mdipierro <mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu> wrote: > Of course. I have not given up on them. ;-) > > On Jan 17, 1:12 am, mikech <mp.ch...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Well, maybe next year. Massimo, do try again. >> >> On Jan 16, 4:30 pm, John Heenan <johnmhee...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > On Jan 16, 5:33 pm, mdipierro <mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu> wrote: >> >> > > Back to PyCon. Rejecting all web2py talks for 3 years in a row is not >> > > a fluke. We do have more users that some of the projects that will be >> > > talked about at PyCon 2010. >> > > Just check >> > > this:http://www.google.com/trends?q=repoze%2C+web2py&ctab=0&geo=all&date=a... >> > > Yet there will be a 4hrs tutorial on repoze. Notice that I am not >> > > complaining about Repoze, that is actually one of the subjects I am >> > > interested in, but people are entitled to ask, without blaming anyone: >> > > why not web2py? >> >> > I risk being labelled as an irrelevant 'social scientist' type by this >> > posting, but what have I got to lose by taking this risk? It might >> > provide some insight. >> >> > With regard to web2py being voted out in the cold at PyCon and Django >> > being warmly welcomed, there may be a lot more subtlety than many >> > realise. I personally prefer web2py over Django for a few simple >> > 'common sense' reasons, namely the web2py beats Django hands down for >> > elegance, coherency and for want of some better words, far less >> > irritation. >> >> > PyCon really has very little practical use. Whatever PyCon achieves >> > can be accomplished much more efficiently with other means. PyCon is >> > essentially a religious celebration for those whose life is consumed >> > by Python, with Guido van Rossum at the top of the hierarchy as Pope >> > (or dictator). PyCon tells everyone that Python is a important, >> > provides an opportunity for devotional hero worship, a reinforcement >> > of community and reinforcement of place within a hierarchy (known as >> > networking). >> >> > Essentially Massimo is being told he is not wanted as part of the >> > community by a democratic voting process. This has nothing to do with >> > the merits of web2py. We can look elsewhere for an explanation. >> >> > So why would the this community not want to welcome Massimo and why >> > would they risk compromising themselves by rejecting web2py or only >> > allowing web2py a very marginal participation? >> >> > To me the biggest turn off about web2py has nothing to do with the >> > merits of web2py. It has to do with the coupling of web2py to an >> > academic environment. I suspect if web2py could shake off this >> > association, web2py might find itself less alienated. This is ironic >> > because web2py espouses the opposite of what many come to associate >> > with academic tainting, namely impractical academically politicised >> > snobberies, hierarchies and verbiage. Linux has a classic example of a >> > clash with academia that the Linux hierarchy forever continue to milk. >> >> > Python nearly evaporated like many other wannabes. Guido was >> > apparently going nowhere. It was the corporate world, not the academic >> > world that has made Python such a success and the best example of this >> > is Google. In fact Google in effect subsidises the ongoing development >> > of Python through employing Guido and allowing him to spend much of >> > his employee time working on developing Python as a language. >> >> > Initially I was incredibly suspicious of web2py because of the >> > academic taint. I even went to the extent of examining Massimo's >> > academic profile. Sure enough there is evidence of academic snobbery. >> > Massimo lists web2py as a hobby academic pursuit and a teaching tool. >> > He lists his academic pursuit as sub atomic physics. Web2py comes >> > across as an embarrassment to Massimo in an academic context. >> >> > Python is replacing C as the 'de facto' teaching language in IT >> > courses. Python has an incredibly strong presence in academic number >> > crunching and modelling (NumPy and SciPy for example). But Python does >> > not belong to academia and clearly the Python community does not >> > welcome academia. This is understandable. Why would a strong thriving >> > community wish to risk.academia muscling in its achievements and risk >> > having credit and control wrested away? Contrary to the images >> > portrayed by academic Computer Science departments as powerhouses of >> > innovation, the phenomenal achievements in IT have had next to nothing >> > to do with academia. Academia has always played catch-up in IT, never >> > a leading role. It can be argued that web2py is starting to take a >> > leading role as a web framework. But web frameworks would hardly be >> > considered to be an academic sub discipline. After all web2py is >> > merely regarded as a teaching tool in an academic context. >> >> > By the way I will not be attending PyCon 2010 anywhere. I NEVER attend >> > conferences. The last conference I attended was one in the nineties in >> > Sydney Australia hosted by Microsoft at a time when Microsoft ActiveX >> > (or COM) was the latest sexy technology, when the Internet was >> > regarded as the Disneyland of public networks and when Microsoft was >> > stating they would not support the Internet. How ironic given how >> > closely Microsoft is now identified with the Internet by general >> > users. >> >> > John Heenan >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "web2py-users" group. > To post to this group, send email to web...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en. > > > > -- http://zoomquiet.org 人生苦短? Pythonic!
