http://groups.google.com/group/pylons-discuss/browse_thread/thread/97faa18a3429a28e
http://groups.google.com/group/turbogears/browse_frm/thread/47779d8587721037
http://groups.google.com/group/pylons-discuss/browse_thread/thread/97faa18a3429a28e
http://groups.google.com/group/turbogears/browse_frm/thread/47779d8587721037