Forwarding two messages from Jerry Seeger, whose e-mails aren't getting to the list yet.
Answering Jerry's comment, I think that targeting the spec to explicitly address gaming use case is better than the current situation. A very large group of devices is undoubtedly built with gaming and only gaming in mind. Jerry's proposed line of thinking certainly seems very promising, too. - WBR, Alexey Proskuryakov Начало переадресованного сообщения: > От: Jerry Seeger <[email protected]> > Тема: Ответ: [webkit-dev] Gamepad API [Was: New feature flag proposal: > Joystick API] > Дата: 12 октября 2011 г. 18:10:05 Тихоокеанское летнее время > Кому: Alexey Proskuryakov <[email protected]> > Копия: Scott Graham <[email protected]>, WebKit Development > <[email protected]> > > 'Game' is a use case, not a description of device characteristics. > GameController and Gamepad both carry the same ambiguity. Alexey, I have to > admit that maybe I didn't understand your original objections, if a swapping > -pad for -Controller makes the spec OK. > > Sorry Alexey to beat the horse, but I'm including here my previous message, > while I figure out why my messages aren't going to the list: > >> I haven't been a direct contributor to Webkit, but I think Alexey has a >> valid point. A gamepad is some sort of amalgam of controls for gaming that >> probably has joysticks and multiple buttons (and inertial controllers?). A >> joystick is a piece of hardware with specific characteristics, which may or >> may not be used for gaming. Confusion about the name in this case is a flag >> that indicates that the scope of the spec is ambiguous. >> >> I read the scope, and it seems pretty clear, but it's worth asking: If you >> stated what you DO cover better, is it no longer necessary to state what you >> DON'T cover. If the scope is clear, why is the name so difficult? In this >> case a 'gamepad' has been defined as a collection of analog inputs with >> input values between either 0..1 or -1..1.From my (very brief) scanning of >> the spec, it seems like this is the 'bounded (or finite?) analog input >> collection' spec. And there you have a description that describes what you >> cover, and intrinsically excludes what you don't. >> >> Which begs a larger question not really for this list: is that really two >> specs - one for bounded linear analog devices, and one for collections of >> devices. >> >> The good people writing the spec have probably gone round and round with >> this, but I think the places I'm not convinced mirror Alexey's, so I thought >> I'd try my hand at articulating those objections a different way. > > And now I will shut up and watch with interest. > > Jerry > > On Oct 12, 2011, at 5:07 PM, Alexey Proskuryakov wrote: > >> >> 12.10.2011, в 16:43, Scott Graham написал(а): >> >>>> - Spec development process that ignores feedback. Multiple people who want >>>> this feature (including one of spec editors) were aware of feedback but >>>> didn't act on it. We had consensus on webkit-dev that the name was bad >>> >>> I was indeed aware of your feedback (that you felt the name was >>> unclear, as far as I understood it), but after discussing during a WG >>> meeting, we haven't thought of a better name. If you have any >>> suggestions, I'm sure all would be open to an improved name. >> >> One way to come up with a good name for something already in existence is to >> look how other people call it. For example, a Wikipedia article on USB HID >> devices puts everything this spec cares about into "game controllers" >> section. How about GameController? >> >> You could look at other classifications of input devices. Maybe USB HID spec >> itself has a good classification? >> >> - WBR, Alexey Proskuryakov >> >> _______________________________________________ >> webkit-dev mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/webkit-dev >
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