On Aug 15, 2006, at 1:04 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't completely agree here. Obviously we have no say in the direction of the product; Apple is going to serve their internal needs first and there probably won't be any cycles left over for anything else. But I do think there is value to us in promoting WO however we can. For our own personal business reasons, the more buzz there is about WO the more likely clients are to be enthusiastic about using it instead of needing to be convinced.

Seems very strange strategy. "Advertise it" T-shirts make a nice statement, but it is a dead-end for all practical reasons when done by anyone outside Apple. "Open Source It" maybe.

I am more in favor of the approach taken by the companies behind projects like Apache Geronimo (an open source spec-compliant J2EE server) - if you are to invest money in certain technology that you do not control, change the rules and take control! That's exactly what WOLips is doing. Otherwise don't bother to get too attached to it and be prepared to jump ship when it goes down. (Note that I am not flaming Apple here - they are doing what makes sense for them)


Invest in the existing open source WO community instead! If you have something to offer as far as WO future direction, this is the place to do it and make a difference. Wonder has 41 committers, WOProject/WOLips has 11. How many actually commit code on a regular basis? 3-4 people at the most. Not enough to start a foundation, but if you come and participate, this may change one year from now.

The best advice I can give here is that it needs to be as easy as possible for people to contribute. Lessons from the past once again; in my old life documentation had to be in Docbook format and basically ready to publish, so very few people wrote any unless they were being paid to do so.

Main doc system for WOLips/WOProject is Confluence Wiki - can't be easier than that - just log in and create content. I can set up one for Wonder or any other WO open source project out there as long as somebody requests it. Same goes for Jira issue tracker.


Likewise they keep trying to require test cases with every patch, so fewer and fewer of those are coming in.

Not the case here, but I agree with your bigger point that the barrier to entry should be lower. Since this is a volunteer effort just as much as coding, don't be afraid to chime in and work on it.

Andrus


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