On 9/5/06 2:07 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
I admit, this is a *big* argument in favor of going toward Java and I suspect it is one of the main reasons Apple moved everything in the first place. It does indeed suck to have to "reinvent the wheel" in Objective-C when there is a nice Java framework out there already.On Sep 4, 2006, at 1:04 AM, Georg Tuparev wrote:Yes, I was. At least on a line by line basis. But if I need a rules engine, or an inverted index (Lucene) functionality, or a PDF library, chances are that I will be more productive in Java as I can just grab a well documented library.On Aug 28, 2006, at 6:10 AM, Chuck Hill wrote:Personally, I feel that given all the improvements (and yes there were some steps backwards) that Apple has made to WO (especially EOF) since WO4.5 and Java's enterprise connections (and recent language improvements) and ability to deploy in Servlet containers etc) that it would be best to stay with WO in Java (e.g. if implementing a new open source WO).I quite like Objective-C as a language. I much prefer it to Java. That said, moving WO back to Obj-C is nothing something I would be in favour of. There are just too many 3rd party libraries in Java.Chuck, And how would you react if I we take into account that: - most of us are more productive in ObjC
It seems to me that this argument is going to a bit subjective. If you work in a company that is all Mac, or very Mac friendly, then you really don't care if WO is cross-platform. If you are a consultant or work for a Windows/*nix-centric company, then it is a big issue. Again, makes good business sense for Apple, is bad for a small minority of us.- there are so many new cocoa technologies that we could use (bindings, core graphics, ...)One of the advantages of WO / Java is that it is cross platform. Now, moving to Eclipse based tools, it is more cross platform than it was looking recently. Tying it to Cocoa technologies would be a step backward as a web platform. That said, I would love to see EOF back in Obj-C for Cocoa applications!
I'm wondering: how many? Are there really a lot of us out there with large Objective-C frameworks that we need to leverage in our WO apps? It seems to me that pretty much everyone just bit the bullet and ported to Java back in WO 4.5/5.0 days. There has been one or two posts about WO 4.5 lately, but that's it.- many of us have large volumes of ObjC code
I think that Georg and I must be in a very small minority. Doesn't make our problem any smaller or my wish for an Objective-C WOF/EOF any less fervent, just means that it ain't gonna happen unless we do it ourselves.
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