I have not come across any bugs in EOF that have caused us to contact Apple
for support since 1997. I just want to make sure that I don¹t tick off any
of those lawyer types.




On 1/23/07 6:15 PM, "Ray Kiddy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> On Jan 23, 2007, at 2:57 PM, Joshua Archer wrote:
> 
>> Deployment of 5.3 is free and legal on any platform, using the developer key
>> found inside of the webobjects foundation framework. I'm not certain why
>> everyone's so squirrelly about giving straight answers on this one, but
>> that's perhaps just part of the general Apple corporate culture. I've gotten
>> from several sources inside Apple that it's cool to go ahead and deploy
>> anywhere you like.
>> 
>> (n'est-ce pas?) 
>> 
> 
> I think that the difficulty people have with this comes from varying meanings
> of the word "support".
> 
> People keep asking if deployment on other platforms is "supported". If support
> means that Apple is required to answer even one question you might have about
> deploying on Linux, the answer will probably be no.
> 
> Apple has not been hostile to seeing WO become useful on other platforms. They
> have been saying in various public fora that they want to interoperate with,
> for example, ant. If things are more compatible with ant, does this mean that
> use on other platforms is easier or harder? My guess is that it gets easier.
> 
> Look at the ant project types that the Java group has been putting out. Are
> they "supported" on Windows? Is this even a sensible or necessary question?
> 
> There is a customer base for which the definition of "support" is important.
> If you are going to be subject to Sarbanes-Oxley auditing and you have to
> document the "pedigree" and "right to use" of every single piece of your tool
> chain, then you should probably decide if Apple's license is acceptable to
> you. Perhaps you are in a federally-funded organization, or your shareholders
> are suing your management. But those people have lawyers that work for them
> who give them the answer to their questions.
> 
> Do you worry about Apple's interpretation of "support" in this context? Do you
> have a lawyer on staff that you can direct the question to? If not, maybe that
> should tell you something.
> 
> As for me, if I want to get a "no" answer to any question, I ask a lawyer.
> Otherwise, I do code.
> 
> - ray
> 
> 
>> On Jan 23, 2007, at 2:50 PM, Dov Rosenberg wrote:
>> 
>>>  I have been trying to figure out what if any licensing requirements are in
>>> place for WebObjects 5.3 applications deployed out as servlets on non OSX
>>> platforms. I assume that OSX platforms (at least OSX Server) have a valid
>>> WebObjects license on them.
>>>  
>>>  The Apple software licensing site discussion ends at 5.2 (when WebObjects
>>> was embedded in with Xcode). I placed a call to the Apple Software Licensing
>>> group in Dallas and they were not very helpful at all. They told me to look
>>> at the Developer.apple.com site which contained no more information.
>>>  
>>>  Is it safe to assume that any app developed with Xcode (or Eclipse using
>>> WOLips) is free from license fees? Most of our deployments are on non OSX
>>> platforms including (Windows, Linux, and Solaris).
>>>  
>>>  I need some information ASAP. Thanks in advance.
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  -- 
>>>  Dov Rosenberg
>>>  Conviveon/Inquira
>>>  Knowledge Management Experts
>>>  http://www.conviveon.com
>>>  http://www.inquira.com
>>>  
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