Is JSF still alive ? Two years ago, we started a project using it.
People said it was the ultimate Java solution, better than strunt.
Using it with hibernate, looked great, seemed to be as easy as
WebObjects... if you don't know WebObjects and you want a 100 % SUN
Java Solution.
But, as Frédéric said :
- A lot of XML configuration needed
- Uneasy component extension/creation
- Needs mixing HTML/JSP/JSF to achieve some goals
- Heavy
and many more things and many more time and less hair for things that
"should" be simple to do (and are with WebObjects).
Please don't use it if you want to live.
Read the chuck's book, use WO as Servlet container and youpi.
Jérémy
Le 6 mars 08 à 04:44, Chuck Hill a écrit :
On Mar 5, 2008, at 5:34 PM, David den Boer wrote:
The problem with Tapestry is that it changes so drastically from
version to version, which is what caused us to look at JSF for a
project that absolutely could not be WO.
Oracle ADF is actively developed, and from experiences of
colleagues, is a nightmare, and these are not WO people saying that.
That is a rather searing condemnation. :-|
Chuck and happy to be using WO!
I think one of the largest problems is the multiple files needed
to get something simple done, and the fact that there are no great
libraries out there yet of components. It is getting better, but I
think you will have to factor into your timeline developing alot
of things yourself that you take for granted in WO/WOnder.
David.
On Mar 3, 2008, at 10:21 AM, Frédéric JECKER wrote:
I've used JSF (MyFaces) on a one year project before moving to WO
(two years ago), here are my feelings:
- A lot of XML configuration needed
- Uneasy component extension/creation
- Needs mixing HTML/JSP/JSF to achieve some goals
- Heavy
This was true two years ago, but now ?
Despite those negative points I enjoyed developping with JSF (but
now WO replaced it in my heart).
Note that Oracle donated a lot of their work to the MyFaces
project and correct me if I am wrong
ADF is no more supported.
As a final word i'd say that I won't choose JSF for new project,
i'd rather choose other frameworks
like wicket or tapestry which are far more mature.
Regards
FJ
Geoff Hopson a écrit :
Greetings,
I have a nice new greenfield application to work on, with the
caveat
that the web framework be constructed using JSF components. I don't
know much about JSF, but a few days playing with it makes me think
that it is going to frustrate me. Number one gripe is the amount of
HTML I have to write. WebObjects is considerably more pleasant
to work
with - a proper component web framework.
Yes, I have searched the archives for JSF, and the following is
worth repeating:
http://www.jsftutorials.net/components/pic/relationship.jpg
Can the list provide a few pros and cons about JSF? - I may be
able to
turn the ship before its too late, but need more JSF experiences
than
I personally have. What about the various implementations of the
standard? MyFaces? ICEFaces? The Oracle thing (ADFaces?)?
Share your pain :-)
Thanks
Geoff
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