Hi,
more than 12 hours later I decide to send my post again.
Jean-Pierre , I vote for your answer , loosing business ( 20
mililion of euros ) is a good indicator.
Think Different ...
Stephane
De : Stephane Guyot <[email protected]>
Date : 18 septembre 2009 07:41:57 HAEC
À : webobjects Apple <[email protected]>
Cc : Jean Pierre Malrieu <[email protected]>
Objet : Rép : WebObjects become opensource ?
My vote for the best post on this thread, even if reality may
hurt some of us. ( Sorry Christian :-) )
To learn a technology nothing is better than reading the source,
same thing for debugging ...but it's only a developper point of view.
For manager point of view, opensource means some kind of garantee
for the future ..., even if sometimes it's a big joke, what Oracle
will do with MySql ?
I still believe in WebObjects, because with WO you finish your
project when J2ee guys are still thinking about architecture and
patterns ... , Mister WO versus Mister J2ee ?
Opensource could mean bigger community, growing not shrinking ...
why not imagine multiple language implementation ?
Objective-C, yes why not. But we can still look further, Scala,
Groovy, Ruby , Python .... yes good ideas, we can still imagine
Erlang, and C-sharp , Php ...., everybody needs somebody, and
anybody is wellcome in the WO community.
I can't work for free for a company that has 30 B$ of cash in
bank, not enough time and money, I needs money to pay iPods my
children wants
and for micro-credit ( www.kiva.org)
Trust in me, tomorrow would be a better day is not a roadmap ... ,
sorry but I remember Steve mail we received when NeXT decide to
stop the hardware.
Ray explane us that it's easier to help WO commnunity when being
outside of Apple, very interesting, you looks like Mister PC
inside, and Mister Mac outside ?
I'm a freelance developper, and words have meaning, I'm free, I
don't care about my relation with insiders at Apple, open(source)
and free are very similar ....
One more thing, I don't think there's any stupid guy on this list,
Pascal sorry to hurt you, sorry to be so annoying, disturbing but
we simply needs help from Apple.
Think different ...
Stephane
Le 17 sept. 09 à 22:44, Jean Pierre Malrieu a écrit :
....
We are talking about relatively big projects (at least for us more
than 20 million of euros are a lot). These "markets" are more
politically driven than technically driven. Our costumers want to
"rule out" some big players (not for religious reasons, just
because they noticed that bigger companies did not care about
users), and the open source requirement is a way to acheive this.
But then, this cannot be half-done.
Some of the solutions we propose are already written using WO. Our
public costumers offer to repay us (you heard it: pay twice!) to
rewrite them with purely open source libraries.
This might seem crazy to you, and might not apply anywhere else in
the world, by that is what happens here.
And please don't conclude that our client are irrational. Open
source might cost them more at first than choosing highly
discounted solutions from big companies, but in the end, it will
be much cheaper than proprietary solutions.
JPM
IBCM : International Bank of Chatenay-Malabry http://www.kiva.org/
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