On 2010-04-22, at 11:45 AM, David Avendasora wrote: > :-) I think we're all hoping/expecting that that's the case, but there's been > others who start working at Apple and then suddenly stop posting, or only > post rarely. > > With someone as high profile and insanely helpful as Mike I think many of us > are just a little nervous about it.
Apple has secrets to keep, and everyone is pretty aware of the lengths they will go to keep them. In addition, many people will interpret a message from someone with an apple.com email address (especially someone with Mike's profile) as being (at least partially) a statement from Apple (no matter how much effort is put into disclaiming it.) Those two things have got to have a chilling effect. I am optimistic that Mike will remain very active in the community. If that doesn't include being as outspoken in public venues, I will understand why. > > Dave > > On Apr 22, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Alan Ward wrote: > >> >> Mike's not going to disappear you know. >> >> On Apr 22, 2010, at 9:10 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: >> >>> 1+, Apple should only hire anonymous WO devs, not the ones who are actually >>> helping the community :-) >>> >>>> No! don't take everyone from the list ;-) >>>> >>>> d >>>> >>>> On 2010-04-22, at 7:45 AM, Alan Ward wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> We're hiring. >>>>> Alan >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> If you know WO and want to work at Apple, just ask them. I know they >>>>>> don't have enough skilled WO developers. I am not sure they could ever >>>>>> have enough. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Chuck >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Lon Varscsak wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe Apple should just hire us all and be done with it. :P We're a >>>>>>> drop in the bucket compared to all of their employees world wide. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Chuck Hill <ch...@global-village.net> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Sure is getting lonely here, outside of The Mother Ship. >>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNQRfBAzSzo >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well, that is the end of an era. I am sure that Bill and everyone at >>>>>>> mDimension will sorely miss you. My thanks to Bill & Co for all the >>>>>>> past and future support of WebObjects (and Mike). It has been really >>>>>>> great and it is good to know that they will remain active in WebObjects >>>>>>> (albeit at perhaps a slightly less frantic pace). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And congratulations to Apple for sucking Mike "The Unstoppable Code >>>>>>> Machine" Schrag into it's black hole vortex of WO developers. Did I >>>>>>> mention it is getting lonely out here? I am sure good things will come >>>>>>> of this. I hope we still see you on the lists now and then. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Looking forward to seeing you again at WWDC / WOWODC. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chuck >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 9:33 AM, Mike Schrag wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my >>>>>>> last day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at >>>>>>> Apple. Not to worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be >>>>>>> part of my responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS >>>>>>> has done a really good job demonstrating that they're committed to >>>>>>> contributing, with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial >>>>>>> amount of work recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there >>>>>>> appreciate the value of the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I >>>>>>> look forward to a lot of exciting things in the future. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have >>>>>>> been a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years >>>>>>> before I came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called >>>>>>> WebObjects and how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going >>>>>>> with WO with a bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and >>>>>>> they set me on The Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial >>>>>>> investment in the community, supporting every bit of development that >>>>>>> I've done in WOLips, Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout >>>>>>> my time here, and I applaud them for that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For the things you guys may directly care about: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * WOLips - still working on it >>>>>>> * Wonder - still working on it >>>>>>> * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers >>>>>>> * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can >>>>>>> use my msch...@pobox.com email address. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ms >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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