It's been a few days without a crash so I think I've got it beat.

It was a bug in my code where I had a RandomAccessFile that I failed to close.  
What threw me off was that Apache failed and not the app.  Once I used lsof on 
the app instances I saw the growing list of open files.

Anyway thanks for all your help!

Johnny

On Apr 6, 2011, at 9:36 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:

> 
> Le 2011-04-06 à 15:26, Chuck Hill a écrit :
> 
>> You are confusing number of Apache processes with file handles/sockets.  The 
>> error message
>>>>>>> Too many open files in system:Some/path/on/system
>> refers to the latter, the number of connections is the former.
> 
> And using lsof on Some/path/on/system will tell which processes are holding 
> files on that directory. Example:
> 
> # sudo lsof -P +D /private/tmp/
> 
> Will find all files opened in /private/tmp
> 
>> 
>> Chuck
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 6, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Johnny Miller wrote:
>> 
>>> Mssr. Robert,
>>> 
>>> Thank you for the suggestion.  If I run the command you suggested I get a 
>>> fluctuating count between 3 and 9.  While that is way below the threshold 
>>> you suggested I'm not sure I'm convinced that is the whole story.  
>>> Otherwise why would I be having a problem?
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Johnny
>>> 
>>> On Apr 6, 2011, at 8:54 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Le 2011-04-06 à 14:38, Johnny Miller a écrit :
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Johan,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yeah, I'm not doing anything unusual like creating a DB connection per 
>>>>> server.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If I run from the CLI:
>>>>> 
>>>>> sudo lsof | grep httpd | wc -l
>>>>> 
>>>>> The count kind of bounces up and down between 500 - 1,500
>>>>> 
>>>>> If I just look at the contents instead of the count I see a bunch of 
>>>>> redundant connections to access_log and the various modules (see below)
>>>>> 
>>>>> To be honest I'm out of my element here, so I'm not sure if this is 
>>>>> unusual or not.  I've updated the apache's launch daemon plist to 
>>>>> increase the number of connections apache is allowed to 2048
>>>> 
>>>> MaxClient and ServerLimit set to 2048??  Are you sure that you need that 
>>>> much clients? I think I never set that value pass 384.
>>>> 
>>>> How many httpd processes do you have? You can find out like this:
>>>> 
>>>>  # lsof -P | grep "/usr/sbin/httpd" | wc -l
>>>> 
>>>>> and I've gone a couple of days without a failure.  But I did do an 
>>>>> intentional restart last night.  Prior to altering the plist I was seeing 
>>>>> apache going into the unresponsive state about every 24 hours.
>>>>> 
>>>>> When I called Apple they told me to run netstat -m and look at this 
>>>>> section:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 0 requests for memory denied
>>>>> 0 requests for memory delayed
>>>>> 
>>>>> If that goes over 0 you can increase the memory buffer per this article: 
>>>>> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3512  But I've yet to see that number go 
>>>>> over zero.
>>>>> 
>>>>> (this prints out several times)
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2    1996352   
>>>>> 17733353 /usr/sbin/httpd
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2     393792   
>>>>> 17733502 /usr/lib/libaprutil-1.0.2.7.dylib
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2     651248      
>>>>> 15133 /usr/lib/libexpat.1.5.0.dylib
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2    4147008      
>>>>> 15324 /usr/lib/libiconv.2.dylib
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2     578656   
>>>>> 17733501 /usr/lib/libapr-1.0.2.7.dylib
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2      53888   
>>>>> 17733291 /usr/libexec/apache2/mod_authn_file.so
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2      66500   
>>>>> 17733295 /usr/libexec/apache2/mod_authz_host.so
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2     201360   
>>>>> 17733299 /usr/libexec/apache2/mod_cache.so
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2      70660   
>>>>> 17733308 /usr/libexec/apache2/mod_dumpio.so
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2     126528   
>>>>> 17733321 /usr/libexec/apache2/mod_mem_cache.so
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2     117296   
>>>>> 17733307 /usr/libexec/apache2/mod_disk_cache.so
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2     105944   
>>>>> 17733311 /usr/libexec/apache2/mod_ext_filter.so
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2     245316   
>>>>> 17733316 /usr/libexec/apache2/mod_include.so
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2      91784   
>>>>> 17733312 /usr/libexec/apache2/mod_filter.so
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2     121380   
>>>>> 17733305 /usr/libexec/apache2/mod_deflate.so
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2     126208   
>>>>> 17733318 /usr/libexec/apache2/mod_log_config.so
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2      54200   
>>>>> 17733320 /usr/libexec/apache2/mod_logio.so
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2      53956   
>>>>> 17733309 /usr/libexec/apache2/mod_env.so
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2      71040   
>>>>> 17733310 /usr/libexec/apache2/mod_expires.so
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2     100768   
>>>>> 17733313 /usr/libexec/apache2/mod_headers.so
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2      66568   
>>>>> 17733314 /usr/libexec/apache2/mod_ident.so
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2      70940   
>>>>> 17733334 /usr/libexec/apache2/mod_setenvif.so
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2     378832   
>>>>> 17733325 /usr/libexec/apache2/mod_proxy.so
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2     168484   
>>>>> 17733330 /usr/libexec/apache2/mod_proxy_http.so
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2     138088   
>>>>> 17733327 /usr/libexec/apache2/mod_proxy_balancer.so
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2     786308   
>>>>> 17733336 /usr/libexec/apache2/mod_ssl.so
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2     915632   
>>>>> 17731671 /usr/lib/libssl.0.9.7.dylib
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2     100588   
>>>>> 17733322 /usr/libexec/apache2/mod_mime.so
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2     120612   
>>>>> 17733337 /usr/libexec/apache2/mod_status.so
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2     176016   
>>>>> 17733298 /usr/libexec/apache2/mod_autoindex.so
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2      54000   
>>>>> 17733284 /usr/libexec/apache2/mod_asis.so
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2     101080   
>>>>> 17733317 /usr/libexec/apache2/mod_info.so
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2     127384   
>>>>> 17733301 /usr/libexec/apache2/mod_cgi.so
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2      70560   
>>>>> 17733343 /usr/libexec/apache2/mod_vhost_alias.so
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2     167388   
>>>>> 17733324 /usr/libexec/apache2/mod_negotiation.so
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2      66448   
>>>>> 17733306 /usr/libexec/apache2/mod_dir.so
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2      95568   
>>>>> 17733315 /usr/libexec/apache2/mod_imagemap.so
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2      58204   
>>>>> 17733282 /usr/libexec/apache2/mod_actions.so
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2      71144   
>>>>> 17733335 /usr/libexec/apache2/mod_speling.so
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2      66460   
>>>>> 17733340 /usr/libexec/apache2/mod_userdir.so
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2      79308   
>>>>> 17733283 /usr/libexec/apache2/mod_alias.so
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2     448160     
>>>>> 698607 /System/Library/WebObjects/Adaptors/Apache2.2/mod_WebObjects.so
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2     305712   
>>>>> 17733333 /usr/libexec/apache2/mod_rewrite.so
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2     290736    
>>>>> 3429086 /usr/lib/libexslt.0.dylib
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2    1297968      
>>>>> 15260 /usr/lib/libiodbc.2.dylib
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2    1046544   
>>>>> 17731388 /System/Library/Frameworks/LDAP.framework/Versions/A/LDAP
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2     958864   
>>>>> 17733803 /usr/lib/libcurl.4.dylib
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2     401216   
>>>>> 17733947 /usr/lib/libsasl2.2.dylib
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2      88356     
>>>>> 172780 /usr/libexec/apache2/mod_auth_apple.so
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2     101284     
>>>>> 172785 /usr/libexec/apache2/mod_spnego_apple.so
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2     105824     
>>>>> 172775 
>>>>> /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/SpnegoApache.framework/Versions/A/SpnegoApache
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2     684032   
>>>>> 17731066 
>>>>> /System/Library/Frameworks/DirectoryService.framework/Versions/A/DirectoryService
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2     135724     
>>>>> 172782 /usr/libexec/apache2/mod_digest_apple.so
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2      66280     
>>>>> 174412 /usr/libexec/apache2/mod_hfs_apple.so
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2    1380352   
>>>>> 18089764 /private/tmp/WOAdaptorState
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2   31641660   
>>>>> 17733495 /usr/libexec/apache2/libphp5.so
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2    1380352   
>>>>> 18089793 /private/tmp/WOAdaptorState
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2    1059792    
>>>>> 8952176 /usr/lib/dyld
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www  txt       REG       14,2   98283520   
>>>>> 17736835 /private/var/db/dyld/dyld_shared_cache_x86_64
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www    0r      CHR        3,2        0t0  
>>>>> 345489284 /dev/null
>>>>> 
>>>>> (same here this repeats many times)
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www   11w      REG       14,2 5055271697     
>>>>> 474173 /private/var/log/apache2/access_log
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www   12w      REG       14,2 5055271697     
>>>>> 474173 /private/var/log/apache2/access_log
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www   13w      REG       14,2 5055271697     
>>>>> 474173 /private/var/log/apache2/access_log
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www   14w      REG       14,2 5055271697     
>>>>> 474173 /private/var/log/apache2/access_log
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www   15w      REG       14,2 5055271697     
>>>>> 474173 /private/var/log/apache2/access_log
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www   16w      REG       14,2 5055271697     
>>>>> 474173 /private/var/log/apache2/access_log
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www   17w      REG       14,2 5055271697     
>>>>> 474173 /private/var/log/apache2/access_log
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www   18w      REG       14,2 5055271697     
>>>>> 474173 /private/var/log/apache2/access_log
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www   19w      REG       14,2 5055271697     
>>>>> 474173 /private/var/log/apache2/access_log
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www   20w      REG       14,2 5055271697     
>>>>> 474173 /private/var/log/apache2/access_log
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www   21w      REG       14,2 5055271697     
>>>>> 474173 /private/var/log/apache2/access_log
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www   22w      REG       14,2 5055271697     
>>>>> 474173 /private/var/log/apache2/access_log
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www   23w      REG       14,2 5055271697     
>>>>> 474173 /private/var/log/apache2/access_log
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www   24w      REG       14,2 5055271697     
>>>>> 474173 /private/var/log/apache2/access_log
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www   25w      REG       14,2 5055271697     
>>>>> 474173 /private/var/log/apache2/access_log
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www   26w      REG       14,2 5055271697     
>>>>> 474173 /private/var/log/apache2/access_log
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www   27w      REG       14,2 5055271697     
>>>>> 474173 /private/var/log/apache2/access_log
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www   28w      REG       14,2 5055271697     
>>>>> 474173 /private/var/log/apache2/access_log
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www   29w      REG       14,2 5055271697     
>>>>> 474173 /private/var/log/apache2/access_log
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www   30w      REG       14,2 5055271697     
>>>>> 474173 /private/var/log/apache2/access_log
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www   31w      REG       14,2 5055271697     
>>>>> 474173 /private/var/log/apache2/access_log
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www   32w      REG       14,2 5055271697     
>>>>> 474173 /private/var/log/apache2/access_log
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www   33w      REG       14,2 5055271697     
>>>>> 474173 /private/var/log/apache2/access_log
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www   34w      REG       14,2 5055271697     
>>>>> 474173 /private/var/log/apache2/access_log
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www   35w      REG       14,2 5055271697     
>>>>> 474173 /private/var/log/apache2/access_log
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www   36w      REG       14,2 5055271697     
>>>>> 474173 /private/var/log/apache2/access_log
>>>>> httpd     6511           _www   37w      REG       14,2 5055271697     
>>>>> 474173 /private/var/log/apache2/access_log
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 6, 2011, at 7:53 AM, Johan Henselmans wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 5 apr 2011, at 02:40, Johnny Miller wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I was wondering if anyone else had experienced the same thing.  I have 
>>>>>>> a X-Serve running OS X 10.5.8 whose apache server is going into a 
>>>>>>> frozen state where it stops serving requests and can only be restarted 
>>>>>>> by rebooting the machine.  All other services seem to being running 
>>>>>>> normally.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If I look at the error_log I see many variations of this error:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Too many open files in system:Some/path/on/system
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I've seen this thread on the Apple discussion board: 
>>>>>>> http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1449787&start=15&tstart=0
>>>>>>> And this article in the knowledge base: 
>>>>>>> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3512
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Does anyone have more wisdom to share?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I once had a similar problem when I started my own objectstore 
>>>>>> coordinator for each session, along the line of:
>>>>>> // this causes all kinds of mayhem: do not do this at home, it creates a 
>>>>>> new database connection for every session
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> // EOObjectStoreCoordinator coord = new EOObjectStoreCoordinator();
>>>>>> // myEc = ERXEC.newEditingContext(coord);
>>>>>> // myEc().setDelegate(this);
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> After that, the database would have so many open connections after a 
>>>>>> while that the database would have too many open files, and would break 
>>>>>> down. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I also seem to remember that some apache configuration would freeze with 
>>>>>> a specific log-rotation setup. (that was apache 1.3 on a FreeBSD machine)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Furthermore I would look for something in apache that opens a file but 
>>>>>> never closes these. You might use opensnoop for that, see man opensnoop, 
>>>>>> or lsof might give you some clues. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Johnny Miller
>>>>>>> Kahalawai Media Corp
>>>>>>> http://www.kahalawai.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Johnny Miller
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