Hi John, I definitely agree it's not the most efficient (or even an efficient) way to do it. But the problem I'm trying to solve is how do you get one of the JavaScript frameworks to play nice with component actions?
It seems like the dilemma is if you want an "app like" UI you need to completely buy into a solution that has a JavaScript client with a REST backend. I'm just wondering if there is some kind of middle ground where you can enhance the existing Ajax framework which lets you use component actions and D2W to give it a little more app quality to it. It'll never be as good as these other frameworks but it's an incremental improvement of what we have now. best, Johnny On Jun 17, 2013, at 11:59 AM, John Huss <johnth...@gmail.com> wrote: > Making a server round-trip to update your UI in real time in response to a > mouse event is, at best, inefficient. This sort of thing should be done > client-side (read: in javascript) unless you have a special security concern > or an algorithm that can only realistically be performed on the server. > > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Johnny Miller <jlmil...@kahalawai.com> wrote: > Thank you Samuel, that's very interesting. On something like editing a pages > document or a spreadsheet - do you think the browser sends every change to > the server where the document's "state" is maintained? Or do you think it > builds the document locally and periodically sends the changes to the server? > I haven't tried it yet - do you know if you can work with the iCloud > versions of iWork offline? > > As a side note (OK complete tangent) I've been thinking a lot about Project > Wonder's Ajax framework and your comment kind of reminds me about an idea I > had for creating an ajax element component. The ajax element would work like > the ajax slider where every change (even keystroke) sends a async request to > the server to update the bound object with the new value. Then the ajax > element could broadcast a custom event to the other objects in the browser > that it's value has changed. Other ajax elements like ajax update containers > could subscribe for that event and when they receive it initiate their own > request to the server to see if their value has changed. This way Wonder > could imitate the bidirectional communication that you see in other > frameworks i.e. http://montagejs.org/docs/data-binding.html > > Sorry to go off on a tangent like that but it's been what I've been thinking > about this weekend and I haven't had anybody to discuss it with ;) > > Best, > > Johnny > > > On Jun 17, 2013, at 4:34 AM, Samuel Pelletier <sam...@samkar.com> wrote: > > > The are many javascript libraries in the source, the credits part list > > Jison, Sizzle, BinaryAjax, Javascript EXIF Reader, Prototype, jQuery, > > Sproutcore and yui. > > > > For the server part, the Ajax url are not like WO urls. For such a large > > scale and very specialized deployment they probably have something very > > optimized for fast response with async server side processing of the > > validation and save to persistent storage. This way, you can batch many > > small transactions into a single IO intensive process. Almost every > > keystrokes create a request like google apps. > > > > Samuel > > > > Le 2013-06-16 à 15:25, Johnny Miller <jlmil...@kahalawai.com> a écrit : > > > >> Sproutcore? > >> > >> > >> > >> On Jun 16, 2013, at 6:29 AM, Ramsey Gurley <ramseygur...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> I'm gonna go out on a limb and say, something closed source that they > >>> have no plan to ever share with us :-) > >>> > >>> On Jun 16, 2013, at 9:04 AM, Stavros Panidis wrote: > >>> > >>>> Well, what is the technology Apple uses for iWork for iCloud? > >>>> > >>>> Stavros Panidis > >>>> > >>>>> ------------------------------ > >>>>> > >>>>> Message: 7 > >>>>> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 08:54:28 -0700 > >>>>> From: Chuck Hill <ch...@global-village.net> > >>>>> To: Baiss Eric Magnusson <bmagnus...@comcast.net> > >>>>> Cc: WebObjectsDev <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> > >>>>> Subject: Re: Can WOWODC folks make this happen some day > >>>>> Message-ID: <1b9c50e3-f156-4538-baf2-e70a736a4...@global-village.net> > >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > >>>>> > >>>>> I, for one, see no value in Obj-C WebObjects. Server side, Java is > >>>>> where its at. > >>>>> > >>>>> Chuck > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 2013-06-15, at 8:09 AM, Baiss Eric Magnusson wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Interesting discussion, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> <http://kevinlawler.com/objective-c> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I would like it if WO went back to Objective-C. Eclipse is not > >>>>>> happening. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ---- > >>>>>> Baiss Eric Magnusson > >>>>>> Cascade Web Design > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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