Le 2014-03-07 à 19:21, Aaron Rosenzweig <aa...@chatnbike.com> a écrit :
> Am I right or what? WO is an elite “gentleman’s club” There are those “in the > circle” and those outside. For the record, I’m not the one who contacted a senior VP. > If Mark wants to send a note of praise to someone, why not? Even if it is Tim > Cook. Will anything bad come of that? It may fall on deaf ears but that’s ok. It’s just that every year, in the answers in the surveys, I still people asking for something from Apple. Even if we said many times that Apple management don’t give a damn. > Mark, I’m glad you love WO. > > For those who may wonder, I’ll summarize what I believe Pascal is alluding to: > > Even if WO sold very well, “well” would be a relative term. Compared to their > other product lines, a good line of sales related to WO would mean nothing > compared to Apple’s other product lines. How many developers are there in the > world? Compare that to consumers. > > Apple does not need to make other programmer’s lives easier on the server. It > would be nice but there is no need (for Apple). > > If Apple were to open source WO, it may mean they have less of an ace up > their sleeve in negotiations with other companies when legal issues crop up. > “You want to sue me for this? then I’ll sue you for your use of > Key-Value-Coding so why don’t we just not sue each other ok?” Open sourcing > WO could weaken Apple’s stance in legal battles for no monetary gain. > > The ONLY way to open source WO would be to buy it from Apple… but even then… > it would have to be a lot of money to make it worth the legal trouble of > figuring out if that is a good financial deal for Apple. And since a major group (iTunes) use it, not going to happen. But we could open source it, by rewriting it and by replacing some stuff by alternatives. > I can think of a few cases where Apple technology was freed up to the world > but in both of those cases they had strong supporters on the inside to make > it happen: > > 1. Apple released it’s Smalltalk and core team to Walt Disney and Disney let > it be open source: > http://ftp.squeak.org/docs/OOPSLA.Squeak.html > > 2. Apple Newton’s “Dylan” language was released and became a commercial > product for a while: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Dylan_programming_language Both happened in the 90s. > AARON ROSENZWEIG / Chat 'n Bike > e: aa...@chatnbike.com t: (301) 956-2319 > > > On Mar 7, 2014, at 6:04 PM, Pascal Robert <prob...@macti.ca> wrote: > >> Please please please... Someone went as far as asking for support by talking >> to an Apple Senior VP, and the answer was: NO! Stop thinking that Apple will >> help us after 5 years without any help from Apple. They even stopped >> contributing to Wonder 3 years ago. >> >> Envoyé de mon iPhone >> >> Le 2014-03-07 à 17:59, Mark Wardle <m...@wardle.org> a écrit : >> >>> Hi all. >>> >>> It is sad to hear the despondency permeating through the email list today. >>> >>> I think many of us have achieved so much with this technology stack, >>> solutions that would be much more difficult with other technologies. >>> >>> I think Apple is missing a trick here. Perhaps I am naive but isn’t their >>> focus on vertical integration? WebObjects is and could be the server side >>> answer for iOS in the enterprise. For me, we’re just about to deploy our >>> first iOS apps running on iPads in our outpatient clinics, linking to our >>> WebObjects applications handling all of the complex business logic that we >>> need in healthcare. We’ve achieved this on a shoestring and it’s due to the >>> great design - seen in WebObjects and of course, by logical extension in >>> the related frameworks inherited from NeXT in modern Apple operating >>> systems. >>> >>> Personally, I want Apple stuff in the enterprise - in my enterprise - in my >>> outpatient clinic. I think it would make a tremendous difference to how we >>> provide healthcare. WebObjects is such a good fit for iOS devices I just >>> cannot believe that Apple does not want to support such a great and >>> productive technology. >>> >>> Whatever the case, my WebObjects applications are still running and we are >>> getting more and more users here in this part of the UK! It is just a shame >>> Apple seems to have given up on it. >>> >>> I’ve copied in Tim Cook to this. At the back of my mind, I’m hoping he’ll >>> take an interest, realise overnight what a great technology this is and how >>> it can be a great product for both large and small enterprises, can form >>> part of a great technology stack and support iOS, and as such, re-incarnate >>> WebObjects - the technology we love! Mr Cook - could Apple un-deprecate >>> this technology please? It is really rather good! >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> -- >>> Dr. Mark Wardle >>> Consultant Neurologist, University Hospital Wales, Cardiff, UK >>> Email: mark.war...@wales.nhs.uk or m...@wardle.org Twitter: @mwardle >>> Telephone: 02920745274 (secretary) or facsimile: 02920744166 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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