Le 2014-03-07 à 19:57, Joel M. Benisch <[email protected]> a écrit :
> Interesting issue/discussion..... > > On the one hand, WO does not have the potential critical sales mass to > warrant selling it as a supported product. > > On the other hand, WO has so much strategic value that Apple can't afford to > release it into the wild ????? > > WTF..... > > I know some economists who could have a blast discussing that one over a case > of good beer. > > But setting all the theory aside ...... > If WO really is such a superior set of tools and libraries (Gentlemen's Club > Membership aside), it would seem that Apple ought to be able to find a way to > use it in the enterprise arena as a tool to support the whole "Apple Is More > Elegant", "Apple Has Taste", "Apple Provides A Lower Total Cost Of Ownership" > story ??? > > We all pat each other on the back regularly about the great applications > we've built years ago that are still humming along and are very inexpensive > for our clients to maintain. In other words, we don't do "throw away code" > !!! We rarely have to "do it over" after we've done it once. > > I just seem to smell a little profit center here.... > Not necessarily in the direct sale price of the WO units that can be sold. > But in the follow on sales of Apple devices that play well with WO. That was the business plan when they released 5.3: change the licence so that it’s only possible to develop on OS X but make it free. We all saw what happened after… Apple needed us up until 2007. iOS came after, and they don’t need us (except to hire WO developers). > Microsoft has used their tools to cause unknowing developers to build HTML > that only Windows (Internet Explorer) can interpret. > I'm not suggesting that Apple do the same on the sly the way MS does/did. > But clearly WO could be made to support features of iOS that don't have > comparable counterparts in the competing mobile OSes. > > It has baffled me for years that WO has not been treated as the high powered > trojan horse that it could be. > > But what do I know? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Joel M. Benisch CPCU, President > 973-992-6300 x303 > PaperFree Corporation > 973-992-6666 FAX > 909 Regal Boulevard > [email protected] > Livingston, NJ 07039-8249 WE CREATE PRODUCTS WE WOULD WANT TO USE! > > On Mar 7, 2014, at 7:21 PM, Aaron Rosenzweig wrote: > >> Am I right or what? WO is an elite “gentleman’s club” There are those “in >> the circle” and those outside. >> >> If Mark wants to send a note of praise to someone, why not? Even if it is >> Tim Cook. Will anything bad come of that? It may fall on deaf ears but >> that’s ok. >> >> Mark, I’m glad you love WO. >> >> For those who may wonder, I’ll summarize what I believe Pascal is alluding >> to: >> >> Even if WO sold very well, “well” would be a relative term. Compared to >> their other product lines, a good line of sales related to WO would mean >> nothing compared to Apple’s other product lines. How many developers are >> there in the world? Compare that to consumers. >> >> Apple does not need to make other programmer’s lives easier on the server. >> It would be nice but there is no need (for Apple). >> >> If Apple were to open source WO, it may mean they have less of an ace up >> their sleeve in negotiations with other companies when legal issues crop up. >> “You want to sue me for this? then I’ll sue you for your use of >> Key-Value-Coding so why don’t we just not sue each other ok?” Open sourcing >> WO could weaken Apple’s stance in legal battles for no monetary gain. >> >> The ONLY way to open source WO would be to buy it from Apple… but even then… >> it would have to be a lot of money to make it worth the legal trouble of >> figuring out if that is a good financial deal for Apple. >> >> I can think of a few cases where Apple technology was freed up to the world >> but in both of those cases they had strong supporters on the inside to make >> it happen: >> >> 1. Apple released it’s Smalltalk and core team to Walt Disney and Disney let >> it be open source: >> http://ftp.squeak.org/docs/OOPSLA.Squeak.html >> >> 2. Apple Newton’s “Dylan” language was released and became a commercial >> product for a while: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Dylan_programming_language >> >> AARON ROSENZWEIG / Chat 'n Bike >> e: [email protected] t: (301) 956-2319 >> >> >> On Mar 7, 2014, at 6:04 PM, Pascal Robert <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Please please please... Someone went as far as asking for support by >>> talking to an Apple Senior VP, and the answer was: NO! Stop thinking that >>> Apple will help us after 5 years without any help from Apple. They even >>> stopped contributing to Wonder 3 years ago. >>> >>> Envoyé de mon iPhone >>> >>> Le 2014-03-07 à 17:59, Mark Wardle <[email protected]> a écrit : >>> >>>> Hi all. >>>> >>>> It is sad to hear the despondency permeating through the email list today. >>>> >>>> I think many of us have achieved so much with this technology stack, >>>> solutions that would be much more difficult with other technologies. >>>> >>>> I think Apple is missing a trick here. Perhaps I am naive but isn’t their >>>> focus on vertical integration? WebObjects is and could be the server side >>>> answer for iOS in the enterprise. For me, we’re just about to deploy our >>>> first iOS apps running on iPads in our outpatient clinics, linking to our >>>> WebObjects applications handling all of the complex business logic that we >>>> need in healthcare. We’ve achieved this on a shoestring and it’s due to >>>> the great design - seen in WebObjects and of course, by logical extension >>>> in the related frameworks inherited from NeXT in modern Apple operating >>>> systems. >>>> >>>> Personally, I want Apple stuff in the enterprise - in my enterprise - in >>>> my outpatient clinic. I think it would make a tremendous difference to how >>>> we provide healthcare. WebObjects is such a good fit for iOS devices I >>>> just cannot believe that Apple does not want to support such a great and >>>> productive technology. >>>> >>>> Whatever the case, my WebObjects applications are still running and we are >>>> getting more and more users here in this part of the UK! It is just a >>>> shame Apple seems to have given up on it. >>>> >>>> I’ve copied in Tim Cook to this. At the back of my mind, I’m hoping he’ll >>>> take an interest, realise overnight what a great technology this is and >>>> how it can be a great product for both large and small enterprises, can >>>> form part of a great technology stack and support iOS, and as such, >>>> re-incarnate WebObjects - the technology we love! Mr Cook - could Apple >>>> un-deprecate this technology please? It is really rather good! >>>> >>>> Best wishes, >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dr. Mark Wardle >>>> Consultant Neurologist, University Hospital Wales, Cardiff, UK >>>> Email: [email protected] or [email protected] Twitter: @mwardle >>>> Telephone: 02920745274 (secretary) or facsimile: 02920744166 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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