Thanks, I will give this a try.
I am using Java Client, not sure about the "applets" bit.
Currently the client session ec is created using 
ERXEC.newEditingContext(objStore)
So should I...
Create a sublcass of ERXEC.DefaultFactory and override _createEditingContext() 
in it, to return a ForgetfulEC
Install my factory using ERXEC.setFactory()
Anything else?
Thanks
John

On 9 Oct 2014, at 17:27, Chuck Hill <ch...@gevityinc.com> wrote:

> First question, are you using JavaClient applets?  
> 
> Below is a Java class that might both explain and solve what you are seeing.
> 
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> package net.global_village.eofextensions;
> 
> import com.webobjects.eocontrol.*;
> 
> /**
>  * EOEditingContext that clears undo stack after a successful save.  This is 
> used as a work around for a bug in EOF. There is a rather serious bug when 
> validateForDelete() fails to allow a deletion.  This will occur if you are 
> using the Deny delete rule, the relationship is mandatory, or you have a 
> custom validateForDelete() method.  The error occurs in this scenario:<br>
>  * 1. The editing context has multiple generations, meaning that 
> saveChanges() has been called one or more times after one or more EOs has 
> been created / inserted / updated.<br>
>  * 2. An EO is deleted from the editing context by deleteObject().<br>
>  * 3. saveChanges() fails due to an NSValidation.ValidationException raised 
> in validateForDelete.<br>
>  *
>  * This result of this appears to be that undo() is called on the editing 
> context's undo manager too many times.  Instead of rolling back to the state 
> when saveChanges() was called it rolls back past several of previous 
> saveChanges()!  The result of this is that the editing context shows a 
> historical state that does not match the object store or the database.
>  *
>  * @author Copyright (c) 2001-2005  Global Village Consulting, Inc.  All 
> rights reserved.
>  * This software is published under the terms of the Educational Community 
> License (ECL) version 1.0,
>  * a copy of which has been included with this distribution in the 
> LICENSE.TXT file.
>  * @version $Revision: 7$
>  */
> public class ForgetfulEC extends EOEditingContext
> {
> 
> 
>     /**
>      * Designated constructor.  Creates a new ForgetfulEC object with 
> anObjectStore as its parent
>      * object store.
>      *
>      * @param anObjectStore parent object store
>      */
>     public ForgetfulEC(EOObjectStore anObjectStore)
>     {
>         super(anObjectStore);
>     }
> 
> 
> 
>     /**
>      * Creates a new ForgetfulEC object with the default parent object store 
> as its parent object
>      * store.
>      */
>     public ForgetfulEC()
>     {
>         super();
>     }
> 
> 
> 
>     /**
>     * Overridden to clear undo stack after a successful save.
>     */
>     public void saveChanges()
>     {
>         super.saveChanges();
>         if (undoManager() != null)
>         {
>             undoManager().removeAllActions();
>         }
>     }
> 
> }
> 
> 
> On 2014-10-09, 7:22 AM, "John Pollard" wrote:
> 
> My trap set up in takeStoredValueForKey() for my intermittent has triggered 
> reporting my bug where an attribute is being set to null. However, the stack 
> trace below doesn't come from anywhere obvious in my code. It is server side 
> processing a client request and for some reason there is an "undo" being 
> triggered from WOJavaClientApplet.handleClientRequest() 
> 
> My trap fires off when the attribute is being changed from a non-null value 
> to a null value, which should never happen, but it is.
> 
> Furthermore, in my trap I make sure I don't call 
> super.takeStoredValueForKey() if I can see the attribute is about to be set 
> to null...but somehow the value is still being set to null on the database.
> 
> Any thoughts welcome!
> 
> John
> 
> at mp.gen.Utils.getStackTraceAsString(Utils.java:2819)
> at mp.eo.Transaction.takeStoredValueForKey(Transaction.java:1920)
> at 
> com.webobjects.eocontrol.EOCustomObject.updateFromSnapshot(EOCustomObject.java:581)
> at 
> er.extensions.eof.ERXGenericRecord.updateFromSnapshot(ERXGenericRecord.java:1267)
> at 
> com.webobjects.eocontrol.EOEditingContext._undoUpdate(EOEditingContext.java:1629)
> at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)
> at 
> sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:57)
> at 
> sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:43)
> at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:622)
> at com.webobjects.foundation.NSSelector.invoke(NSSelector.java:358)
> at 
> com.webobjects.foundation.NSSelector._safeInvokeSelector(NSSelector.java:110)
> at 
> com.webobjects.foundation.NSUndoManager$_NSUndoLightInvocation.invoke(NSUndoManager.java:1002)
> at 
> com.webobjects.foundation.NSUndoManager$_NSUndoStack.popAndInvoke(NSUndoManager.java:1280)
> at 
> com.webobjects.foundation.NSUndoManager.undoNestedGroup(NSUndoManager.java:733)
> at com.webobjects.foundation.NSUndoManager.undo(NSUndoManager.java:693)
> at 
> com.webobjects.eodistribution.EODistributionContext.responseToClientMessage(EODistributionContext.java:627)
> at 
> com.webobjects.eodistribution.WOJavaClientApplet.handleClientRequest(WOJavaClientApplet.java:978)
> at sun.reflect.GeneratedMethodAccessor33.invoke(Unknown Source)
> at 
> sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:43)
> at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:622)
> at 
> com.webobjects.foundation.NSKeyValueCoding$ValueAccessor$1.methodValue(NSKeyValueCoding.java:636)
> at 
> com.webobjects.foundation.NSKeyValueCoding$_MethodBinding.valueInObject(NSKeyValueCoding.java:1134)
> at 
> com.webobjects.foundation.NSKeyValueCoding$DefaultImplementation.valueForKey(NSKeyValueCoding.java:1324)
> at com.webobjects.appserver.WOComponent.valueForKey(WOComponent.java:1736)
> at 
> com.webobjects.foundation.NSKeyValueCoding$Utility.valueForKey(NSKeyValueCoding.java:447)
> at 
> com.webobjects.foundation.NSKeyValueCodingAdditions$DefaultImplementation.valueForKeyPath(NSKeyValueCodingAdditions.java:212)
> at com.webobjects.appserver.WOComponent.valueForKeyPath(WOComponent.java:1804)
> at 
> com.webobjects.appserver._private.WOKeyValueAssociation.valueInComponent(WOKeyValueAssociation.java:50)
> at 
> com.webobjects.appserver._private.WOGenericElement.invokeAction(WOGenericElement.java:121)
> at 
> com.webobjects.appserver._private.WODynamicGroup.invokeChildrenAction(WODynamicGroup.java:105)
> at 
> com.webobjects.appserver._private.WOGenericContainer.invokeAction(WOGenericContainer.java:29)
> at 
> com.webobjects.appserver._private.WODynamicGroup.invokeChildrenAction(WODynamicGroup.java:105)
> at 
> com.webobjects.appserver._private.WODynamicGroup.invokeAction(WODynamicGroup.java:115)
> at 
> com.webobjects.appserver._private.WOConditional.invokeAction(WOConditional.java:86)
> at 
> com.webobjects.appserver._private.WODynamicGroup.invokeChildrenAction(WODynamicGroup.java:105)
> at 
> com.webobjects.appserver._private.WODynamicGroup.invokeAction(WODynamicGroup.java:115)
> at com.webobjects.appserver.WOComponent.invokeAction(WOComponent.java:1079)
> at 
> com.webobjects.appserver._private.WOComponentReference.invokeAction(WOComponentReference.java:127)
> at 
> com.webobjects.appserver._private.WODynamicGroup.invokeChildrenAction(WODynamicGroup.java:105)
> at 
> com.webobjects.appserver._private.WODynamicGroup.invokeAction(WODynamicGroup.java:115)
> at com.webobjects.appserver.WOComponent.invokeAction(WOComponent.java:1079)
> at com.webobjects.appserver.WOSession.invokeAction(WOSession.java:1357)
> at 
> com.webobjects.appserver.WOApplication.invokeAction(WOApplication.java:1745)
> at 
> er.extensions.appserver.ajax.ERXAjaxApplication.invokeAction(ERXAjaxApplication.java:119)
> at 
> er.extensions.appserver.ERXApplication.invokeAction(ERXApplication.java:1988)
> at 
> er.extensions.appserver.ERXComponentRequestHandler._dispatchWithPreparedPage(ERXComponentRequestHandler.java:157)
> at 
> er.extensions.appserver.ERXComponentRequestHandler._dispatchWithPreparedSession(ERXComponentRequestHandler.java:235)
> at 
> er.extensions.appserver.ERXComponentRequestHandler._dispatchWithPreparedApplication(ERXComponentRequestHandler.java:268)
> at 
> er.extensions.appserver.ERXComponentRequestHandler._handleRequest(ERXComponentRequestHandler.java:302)
> at 
> er.extensions.appserver.ERXComponentRequestHandler.handleRequest(ERXComponentRequestHandler.java:378)
> at 
> com.webobjects.appserver.WOApplication.dispatchRequest(WOApplication.java:1687)
> at 
> er.extensions.appserver.ERXApplication.dispatchRequestImmediately(ERXApplication.java:2109)
> at 
> er.extensions.appserver.ERXApplication.dispatchRequest(ERXApplication.java:2074)
> at mpServer.Application.dispatchRequest(Application.java:168)
> at 
> com.webobjects.appserver._private.WOWorkerThread.runOnce(WOWorkerThread.java:144)
> at 
> com.webobjects.appserver._private.WOWorkerThread.run(WOWorkerThread.java:226)
> at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:701)
> On 12 Sep 2014, at 09:18, John Pollard <j...@pollardweb.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hmm, hairy palms, not sure I want that, but thanks for this anyway. The 
>> related attribute is a to-one relationship, does that mean it is a FK 
>> attribute? It is the to-one relationship that becomes null against my will 
>> and I need to find out where/why.
>> 
>> I have now cobbled some code up in takeStoredValueForKey() which avoids the 
>> recursion when checking the existing value using storedValueForKey() and 
>> ignores the (temp) null value caused by clearProperties() when the EO is 
>> invalidated. Hence I believe I now have the code to scream if my property is 
>> set to null from a pre-existing value and I should get an email + stack 
>> trace to report the exciting news. These intermittents are about once every 
>> two months so will have to wait.
>> 
>> On 11 Sep 2014, at 23:04, Chuck Hill <ch...@global-village.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> You are going to grow hair on your palms doing this but…
>>> 
>>> willRead();
>>> Object value = __dictionary().valueForKey(“your attribute”);
>>> 
>>> Should, I think, do what you want.  Of course, it is package protected so 
>>> you will need to use reflection to get access.  And the result may be null 
>>> if the object is still a fault.  
>>> 
>>> Is this an FK or PK by chance?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Chuck
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2014-09-11, 12:22 PM, "John Pollard" wrote:
>>> 
>>> Apologies, I meant takeStoredValueForKey(). Within there, how can I safely 
>>> see what the value currently is when when this method is called, before I 
>>> invoke super. takeStoredValueForKey() to take on the new value?
>>> John
>>> 
>>> On 11 Sep 2014, at 18:10, John Huss <johnth...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The order of calls is:
>>>> 
>>>> takeValueForKey -> setXXX -> takeStoredValueForKey
>>>> 
>>>> All of these maybe skipped except for takeStoredValueForKey, so that is 
>>>> the only one you should override to see what is getting saved.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 8:55 AM, John Pollard <j...@pollardweb.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi List,
>>>> 
>>>> In some debugging within takeValueForKey() I want to find out if the key 
>>>> already has a value set. If I call valueForKey() or storedValueForKey() 
>>>> and the value isn't already set I get infinite recursion as it triggers a 
>>>> fault and tries to load with takeValueForKey() and so on.
>>>> 
>>>> I am trying to debug where a value is being set to null, but apparently 
>>>> not going via validateXXX() or setXXX() methods, so I want to trap the 
>>>> case where the takeValueForKey() is passed null when the key value was 
>>>> previously non-null and log a stack trace.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks
>>>> John
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