I have yet to actually take a deep dive into it. I remember they posted about 
it on this WO list a while back and I added them on youtube, They have an 
interesting visual editor and the framework looked interest at first glance as 
well. One thing I just remembered that was troubling at first glance was they 
had no state (or routing) system tied into the URL. This was a while ago, 
however. Maybe they’ve added it. Should probably take a closer look though.

> On Jan 13, 2016, at 6:38 PM, Ken Anderson <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> What about MontageJS ?
> 
>> On Jan 13, 2016, at 6:29 PM, Yuri Kondratov <[email protected] 
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> 
>> SproutCore is a JS framework that was developed by Apple and is used in web 
>> apps such as iCloud.
>> 
>> Ember is an offshoot of it. It is watered down SproutCore. We have been 
>> using Ember because back in the days, SproutCore had performance problems 
>> which are now much less noticeable.
>> 
>> With Ember 2.x, the developers have lost their way completely and are going 
>> down the wrong path. We are planning to make a move to SproutCore.
>> 
>> The other js frameworks are by hipsters for hipsters. Not WO devs :D
>> 
>> If anyone knows any other good JS frameworks that are similar to WO 
>> ideology, please let me know!
>> 
>> Oh and while i was writing this post, I went on the iTunes connect web app 
>> to confirm its SproutCore based like iCloud… and to my shock, it’s 
>> AngularJS!!! What?!?
>> 
>>> On Jan 13, 2016, at 2:27 PM, James Cicenia <[email protected] 
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Here’s a very interesting back end setup:
>>> mongoDb and vert.x 
>>> 
>>> FrontEnd… 
>>> react
>>> meteor
>>> angular2
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> bootstrap
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 13, 2016, at 1:18 PM, Chuck Hill <[email protected] 
>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> On 2016-01-12, 10:30 PM, "T Worman" <[email protected] 
>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Welcome back!
>>>>> 
>>>>> The biggest issue with Golipse was adjusting the p2 installer for more 
>>>>> recent versions of Eclipse. Or something like that. I think it was more 
>>>>> that than the file locations - if I recall. I had a hard time finding 
>>>>> documentation on it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Crap, now I need to learn JavaScript and REST?
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, all of the cool kids are doing it.  The real question is “Which 
>>>> JavaScript framework(s) will I learn?”.  There seems to be a new on almost 
>>>> every day!
>>>> 
>>>> Chuck
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tim
>>>>> UCLA GSE&IS
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 12, 2016, at 7:25 PM, Chuck Hill <[email protected] 
>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Lachlan,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Nice to see you around, welcome back.  Yes, I am still here though snail 
>>>>>> harvesting sounds tempting and soothing.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The community is getting smaller and more fragmented.  Several people 
>>>>>> have joined Apple now and they tend not to be around much.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The last time I tried Golips it also did not work.  IIRC, it was a 
>>>>>> version problems and the downloads it was trying to get no longer 
>>>>>> existed.  The instructions on the wiki should be up to date for a DYI 
>>>>>> install.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Some people have migrated to Cayenne from EOF, and either use a REST API 
>>>>>> to drive a JavaScript client, or probably use Tapestry.  Andrus did some 
>>>>>> presentations on this, I am not sure if they are on the wiki or part of 
>>>>>> the backlog we need to deal with.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The WO version is still 5.4.3 with the latest Wonder on it.  We are up 
>>>>>> to Java 7 and looking at 8.  Some people use Maven, most I think have 
>>>>>> stuck with Ant.  Just say NO to Vertical Inheritance!  :-P
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> No really exciting developments that I recall, mostly a move away from 
>>>>>> HTML interfaces to JavaScript ones driven by a REST back-end.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2016-01-12, 6:37 PM, 
>>>>>> "[email protected] 
>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> on 
>>>>>> behalf of Lachlan Deck" 
>>>>>> <[email protected] 
>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> on 
>>>>>> behalf of [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> it’s been a few years or so since I’ve kept up with the lay of the 
>>>>>>> WOland. 
>>>>>>> Having signed back up recently to the list I noticed that Chuck hasn’t, 
>>>>>>> as yet, gone off to sheep herding or snail harvesting :)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Out of curiosity I downloaded Golipse as per 
>>>>>>> (https://wiki.wocommunity.org/display/WEB/Project+Wonder+Installation 
>>>>>>> <https://wiki.wocommunity.org/display/WEB/Project+Wonder+Installation>).
>>>>>>> It doesn’t seem to do anything when I run it. I’m on OS X 10.11.2. Is 
>>>>>>> that expected?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I recall a few years back people were thinking of migrating to 
>>>>>>> WO/Cayenne from WO/EOF.
>>>>>>> I didn’t see anything about that on the wiki.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So what’s the recommended flavour of WO these days? Any exciting 
>>>>>>> developments over the last few years?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> And what of Ant / maven / etc? 
>>>>>>> Vertical inheritance? ;-)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> cheers,
>>>>>>> Lachlan
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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