Chuck,
Thank you! I will look through the presentation. I’ve turned of
connection pooling and the system is far more stable. Appears WO Apache Adaptor
should have it disabled. At one presentation you’ve mentioned FastCGI adaptor.
Is it still an option?
Michael Kondratov
Aspire Auctions, Inc.
216-231-5515
> On Sep 14, 2016, at 1:55 PM, Chuck Hill <ch...@gevityinc.com> wrote:
>
> The apps use a worker thread to respond to wotaskd, so if there are no
> threads there is no response. Bad Things ™ ensue.
>
> My wotask Internals presentation from WOWODC 2014 might have some points of
> interest. I barely recall what is in it.
>
> Chuck
>
>
> From: Michael Kondratov <mich...@aspireauctions.com>
> Date: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 10:27 AM
> To: Chuck Hill <ch...@gevityinc.com>
> Cc: WebObjects-Dev Mailing List List <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>
> Subject: Re: WOWorkerThreadCountMax
>
> All kind of strange things start to happen once we hit 100-200 requests per
> second loads. If an instance gets overloaded, WOTaskD becomes unresponsive
> and Apache stalls after as well. Quickly killing the stalled instance brings
> WOTask and Apache back to live. Maybe setting Apache Adaptor to poll wotask
> at 10 minute and not 10 second interval could fix that?
>
>
> Michael Kondratov
> Aspire Auctions, Inc.
> 216-231-5515
>
> On Sep 14, 2016, at 1:20 PM, Chuck Hill <ch...@gevityinc.com
> <mailto:ch...@gevityinc.com>> wrote:
>
> I am not sure how connection pooling, which happens in the Apace process, and
> Keep-Alive interact. I thought the former was for the ServerSocket, but I
> could be very wrong. I don’t know why you are seeing what you are seeing
> below.
>
> Chuck
>
> From: Michael Kondratov <mich...@aspireauctions.com
> <mailto:mich...@aspireauctions.com>>
> Date: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 6:08 AM
> To: Chuck Hill <ch...@gevityinc.com <mailto:ch...@gevityinc.com>>
> Cc: WebObjects-Dev Mailing List List <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com
> <mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>>
> Subject: Re: WOWorkerThreadCountMax
>
> I have noticed that the number of worker threads immediately goes us when we
> set connection pool to 1. If it is set to zero, worker threads stop at about
> 70, but we see 50% system time CPU utilization. Once pooling is enables, CPU
> utilization drops, but workers grow to the max setting.
>
> Michael
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Sep 13, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Michael Kondratov <mich...@aspireauctions.com
> <mailto:mich...@aspireauctions.com>> wrote:
>
> Chuck,
> We are handling around 100 requests per second spread over 5-10 application
> instances. We do have KeepAlive enabled in Apache. How would I manage that in
> WO? If the application thread count grows to 300 threads or so, does it mean
> that at one time we had a back log of ~250 requests or so?
>
> Michael Kondratov
> Aspire Auctions, Inc.
> 216-231-5515
>
> On Sep 13, 2016, at 6:40 PM, Chuck Hill <ch...@gevityinc.com
> <mailto:ch...@gevityinc.com>> wrote:
>
> There is no easy answer.
>
> Ignoring Keep-Alive, you need to manage this setting, the Listen Queue Size,
> and number of instances to ensure that your app instances don’t build up a
> backlog of requests that will take longer to process than your users are
> willing to wait. Otherwise, your instances are going to be calculating
> responses that are just going to encounter a broken pipe when attempting to
> respond to the client. That is useless processing. 256 is way, way too high
> unless you are processing a lot of very short, quick responses. Relating
> this to the number of Apache processes is pretty meaningless. Apache is not
> doing much relative to your app.
>
> Request with Keep-Alive complicate this significantly as they tie up a worker
> thread until the connection is closed.
>
>
> Chuck
>
> From: <webobjects-dev-bounces+chill=gevityinc....@lists.apple.com
> <mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+chill=gevityinc....@lists.apple.com>> on
> behalf of Michael Kondratov <mich...@aspireauctions.com
> <mailto:mich...@aspireauctions.com>>
> Date: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 3:33 PM
> To: WebObjects-Dev Mailing List List <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com
> <mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>>
> Subject: WOWorkerThreadCountMax
>
> Hello,
> Does it make sense to set the value equal to or greater than the number
> of active apache processes? Our server is receiving more traffic than usual
> and each application is hitting the default limit of 256. I assume it is due
> to each apache process trying to maintain a connection to each instance. We
> typically see apache grow to 1000 processes.
>
>
> Michael Kondratov
> Aspire Auctions, Inc.
> 216-231-5515
>
>
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