Aaron,

> On 21. 8. 2024, at 1:16, Aaron Rosenzweig <aa...@chatnbike.com> wrote:
> Sounds like maybe your session is in the URL? 

Nope, we store them in cookies.

> What if you put the session in a cookie? Then it’s not possible to have 
> multiple tabs in the same browser. The last tab wins. 

Alas, that's not how the browser works. Pretty often, e.g., if one opens a link 
by shift-cmd-click in a new tab, and in other cases too, more tabs/windows 
simply share the same wosid cookie, i.e., the same session.

Myself I use Safari exclusively, but based on 
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/49687204/same-browser-but-different-windows-do-they-share-cookies
 it seems it is a customary behaviour in other browsers, too.

Thanks,
OC

> 
>> On Aug 19, 2024, at 9:25 AM, ocs--- via Webobjects-dev 
>> <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com <mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there,
>> 
>> looks like the main cause of those overlapping R/Rs which we ar clashing 
>> with lately is that some users just open their session in more windows or 
>> tabs, and work concurrently in those. Sigh.
>> 
>> It's self-evident why it is a pretty bad idea from the technical POV, but I 
>> am afraid we can't explain it to plain users. Worse, if we found a way to 
>> prevent that (offhand, I am not sure whether it is technically possible, but 
>> even if so), I am afraid the users would complain that they simply insist on 
>> this terrible approach.
>> 
>> Now though they complain some operations are “inexplicably” slow: “I 
>> understand that operation A which I've launched in one of my windows is 
>> complicated and thus takes many seconds, that's OK. But at the same moment 
>> I've launched an operation B in another of my windows; operation B is 
>> trivial and should be lightning fast, but it took an eternity! Fix your 
>> broken application!“
>> 
>> Well you twit, op B took an eternity since it first waited many seconds 
>> until the slow op A you yourself launched in the same session finished; 
>> after that, A took about 100 ms of its own time. But this kind of 
>> explanation would not do with plain users at all :(
>> 
>> Could anybody see any practical solution?
>> 
>> Note please that making _all_ R/R lightning fast is practically impossible 
>> (we would have to refactor too heavily, not an option in a near future). 
>> Besides I am afraid even if we somehow succeeded to make all R/R reliably 
>> belong a second or so, they would still launch ten second-long operations in 
>> ten windows plus one 100 ms in another, and then complain that the last one 
>> took seconds too :(
>> 
>> At this moment about the only solution very ugly work-around I can think of 
>> would be to choose a couple of the trivial operations whose speed the users 
>> consider most important, and re-write them without session (they would still 
>> need to work with the session ID, but important things like the current user 
>> etc. would have to be cached in the application in some kind of static map 
>> without using the Session instance at all). Sigh. Darn complex, but still 
>> worlds easier than attempting to make _all_ R/Rs 100ms-or-less...
>> 
>> Any better idea?
>> 
>> Thanks and all the best,
>> OC
>> 
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