Doing it in the CDI container startup callbacks is not correct as the container is not fully initialised. For Seam 3.0 you will need to use an EJB 3.1 singleton (which provides an application startup callback), or listen to servlet callbacks (we may need to fix the ordering of the Seam servlet listeners outside of JBoss AS/GF). Doing this through events also addresses your "transient startup scope" as you can simply declare your bean dependent, meaning it will be destroyed after the observer invocation is complete.
We should standardise the events sent so that they can be called outside of Servlet too. What are they currently? On 20 Oct 2010, at 05:05, Dan Allen wrote: > One of the popular features in the Seam 2 "container" is startup components > (which would be startup beans in CDI terminology). I'm trying to determine > the best way to approach this feature and where it should live (i.e., Weld X > and/or Seam 3, hence the x-post). > > While it's true that EJB 3.1 supports startup beans, it unnecessarily links > them to: > > - enterprise beans (my, where have we heard this before? cough transactions > cough) > - singletons > > Seam 2 supports startup components that are instantiated (as in > @PostConstruct gets invoked) when the scope to which the component is bound > is activated. Supported scopes include application and session. I don't see > any reason why we can't support all (or most) scopes in Weld X/Seam 3. > > At first glance, you might think about initializing @ApplicationScoped > @Startup beans in an AfterDeploymentValidation observer (the > application-scope is active at that point) [1] (also see note). That's > certainly one way to go, though perhaps jumping the gun as some other > extensions may still report a deployment error. It also doesn't address the > remaining scopes. > > The better place to do eager initialization is perhaps the Seam 3 Servlet > module. This module bridges the Servlet context events to the CDI event bus, > providing the opportunity to initialize components bound to the relevant > scopes. However, my concern is that if those events fire before the CDI > implementation has started the scope, it's going to result in a > ContextNotActiveException (Nik, would you be able to provide insight into > whether this ordering issue has been address?). > > I'd also like to entertain the idea of having a transient startup scope > (@ApplicationStartupScoped?). Most of the time developers employ a > application-scoped startup bean, it's doing something like seeding a > database, creating directories or some other routine that's a one time deal. > It seems like a waste to have these beans hang around long after their job is > done. In fact, I anticipate it becoming the most commonly-used scope for > startup beans. > > After considering the options, it seems to me that long-term, this feature > would be more robust if it were part of the CDI specification. (Even the JSF > managed bean container supports eager bean initialization for > application-scoped beans). Or perhaps I'm missing a very straightforward way > to address it. > > I'm interested in hearing your suggestions. After I get feedback about which > project/module should tackle this problem, I'll create a JIRA for it. > > -Dan > > [1] http://gist.github.com/635719 > > Note: There's another issue. BeanManager#getReference() may only return a > proxy and not instantiate the bean, meaning @PostConstruct is not yet called. > In the linked gist, I worked around this problem by invoking toString() on > the reference. > > I'll mention that Resin has addressed @Startup support for managed beans: > http://caucho.com/resin-4.0/examples/ioc-binding/viewfile?file=WEB-INF/classes/example/MyStartupBean.java > > -- > Dan Allen > Principal Software Engineer, Red Hat | Author of Seam in Action > Registered Linux User #231597 > > http://mojavelinux.com > http://mojavelinux.com/seaminaction > http://www.google.com/profiles/dan.j.allen > _______________________________________________ > weld-dev mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/weld-dev _______________________________________________ weld-dev mailing list [email protected] https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/weld-dev
