David, I looked for the tell, tell signs of panning on the unlit road and on the basis of the sharpness of the fence just in front of the bus, which I would have expected to be soft, its razor sharp! With respect to Black and White, I would normally use channel mixer (I use cs6) for this as I did with 20697. When I went for the infra red look 200% green took the green of the vehicle to white so I moved the red channel to 200% and played with the green and blue channels till I got the black and white effect that suited me. I didn't bother with a black and white cast (red+blue+green not equal to 100%). I'm tempted to forgo my home made curry tonight and spend a couple of hours in town. I have found my old 50mm prime lens as well. Hmm, I wonder if I'll get any finger gestures from 1st Buses?
Regards Martin Bray, Swansea, UK Stagecoach Cymru... http://www.stagecoach-cymru.co.uk/ Welcome to Margam Depot...http://www.margam-depot.co.uk ________________________________ From: David Beilby <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, 17 November 2012, 12:56 Subject: Re: After Dark One thing I've realised through these pictures, particularly the second one on the unlit road, is that I sub-consciously pan the camera whenever I photograph a moving bus. I didn't even know I was doing it - the giveaway is the distant street lights. In both cases the buses were moving and I've no idea who the drivers were - I certainly didn't make any arrangement with them. It's odd standing with camera ready in the pitch dark - although I've got a bit used to it. You will notice that on the first photograph the camera has still managed to "miss" the display! Now to get the time machine working - except the technique probably still wouldn't work as street and bus lighting levels were lower then and you still couldn't do it. That shot of AJs last night was really good. I'd been out shopping last night and it had got a bit misty and I was thinking that the effect with the street lights was good - only AJ actually captured it! I did have a little play with his photograph in Photoshop which I suggest anybody else interested does (and this is not a criticism of the photograph, by the way). If you go into hue/saturation and select each of the six individual options to edit, Reds, Yellows, Greens, Cyans, Blues and Magentas you will find you move the sliders over the full range for the last four and it makes no difference at all to the image, apart from a little bit inside the vehicle. That's because of the very narrow spectrum from the sodium lighting on the outside, whilst the interior is fluorescent-lit with a wider spectrum. This isn't a camera thing - the task for the camera would be almost the equivalent of turning a black and white image into a colour one and there's a lot of us would like to be able to do that! Night photography is a wide field with lots of different of different approaches. Photofloods give you a bright and colourful image, but it isn't natural - but does a photograph have to be natural? Similarly, a natural photograph would have a lot of the image dark with no detail - that's natural and what it was really like but if you just treat it as a photograph of the bus it doesn't work well. Turning night shots into black and white images often works surprisingly well and is worth a try. The good thing about photography (including night photography) is that you can make up your own rules. In the digital age it's much easier (and cheaper) to experiment - you get the result instantly and can correct and have another go. More than anything though, when you're experimenting the one that comes out is easily worth the ten that didn't. (I haven't shown you those!) Regards, David Beilby On 17 Nov 2012, at 08:07, MARTIN BRAY wrote: > David, These pictures are some of the most inspiring I've ever seen at night. > The only thing I can't get my head around is the shutter speed of 1/160 and > 1/50 which should have all the hallmarks of softness which I don't see upon > very close scrutiny of the pictures. They're razor sharp. Dare I suggest that > the driver stopped the vehicle for you? The only other issue is, they weren't > Stagecoach vehicles. > > I wonder if our Mr Perry can help me out? > > Regards > > Martin Bray, Swansea, UK > > Stagecoach Cymru... http://www.stagecoach-cymru.co.uk/ > > Welcome to Margam Depot...http://www.margam-depot.co.uk/ > > > From: David Beilby <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, 16 November 2012, 22:25 > Subject: Re: After Dark > > Thanks - you've conjured up a great image of Cwmbran and probably, on a night > like tonight, quite accurate! > > However, the tripod is thing I like to manage without, it gives you so much > more flexibility. The link below, whilst OT for South Wales, shows the sort > of thing you can do. But cameras that do good 6400ASA don't come cheap - and > neither do the lenses!: > > http://davidbeilby.zenfolio.com/p817002398/e3e5669d5 > > Occasionally I try the ultimate challenge, which is of a bus on an unlit road > at night. This might sound impossible but there's a lot of light comes from > the bus itself. It's not something you'd do a lot, but it's fun to > experiment!: > > http://davidbeilby.zenfolio.com/p817002398/e9c5ca18 > > I suppose I'd better get on topic somehow. How about Rhymney Valley RE 59 > (GTX 359N) in Nelson bus station at dusk on 1st August 1978? This dates back > to the time of that radical concept of one operator's buses actually > connecting with another's. It'll never catch on! > > Best Regards, > > David Beilby > > (Please note, I retain copyright in photographs I post on this group, they > are for personal use only and may not be reproduced in any form without prior > permission) > > > > > On 16 Nov 2012, at 21:25, Martin Bray wrote: > > > David, your posting conjures up to me, of a tripod being pitched up in > > darkness and torrential rain outside Frankie and Bennies, pointed > > across the road into Cwmbran bus station as a B10M is taking on > > passengers for an X24 working. Can you imagine the reflections off the > > vehicle in the rain and darkness. > > > > 6400asa images are a little too grainy to print but have plenty of > > impact under variable lighting conditions within the image. Here's one > > of mine without the rain... > > > > http://www.martinbray-ukloco.com/ > > > > On 13 Nov, 22:07, David Beilby <[email protected]> wrote: > >> It's odd that you should post that photo just after I'd been out to > >> photograph a First Manchester bus myself in similar lighting > >> conditions. That I can push up to 6400ASA and get good results is a > >> testimony to modern camera development and at that speed the bus > >> doesn't even have to be stationary! > >> > >> Your picture shows one of the issues that no camera technology can > >> deal with (at the moment at least), which is the narrow colour > >> spectrum from sodium lighting. Whilst high pressure sodium lighting > >> isn't as bad as the older sodium lights, there's still a yellow cast > >> which colour correction won't get rid of. Of course, it is actually > >> an accurate record of the scene and thus perfectly correct. You can > >> use a flash but apart from, at he very least, annoying the driver, the > >> photograph wouldn't look natural and would be flat. > >> > >> Nonetheless I'm an enthusiastic exponent of night photography and am > >> glad to find someone else trying - do try more! When it works well > >> the effect can be so dramatic. Heavy rain makes for great photos but > >> a pretty miserable experience taking them. And don't forget those > >> Christmas lights! > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> David Beilby > >> > >> On 13 Nov 2012, at 21:25, Barrie Gilbert wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>> One of the few good things about the clocks going back an hour at > >>> this time of year is the potential to take photographs in different > >>> light conditions, provided that you have a tripod or a steady hand. > >> > >>> This teatime shot is of First Cymru Pointer-bodied Dart 42610, which > >>> is one of a handful that have been repainted in the new corporate > >>> livery and refurbished with leather seat covers. It is also one of > >>> the three that carry the new bilingual fleetnames and branding for > >>> Service 36. > >> > >>> The location is Clase Road, Morriston in November 2012. > >> > >>> © Barrie Gilbert > >> > >>> -- > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>> Groups "Welsh Bus Photographs" group. > >>> To post to this group, send email to > >>> [email protected] > >>> . > >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>> [email protected] > >>> . > >>> For more options, visit this group > >>> athttp://groups.google.com/group/welsh-bus-photographs?hl=en > >>> . > >>> <FirstCymru42610.2.2.jpg> > > > > --You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Welsh Bus Photographs" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]. > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/welsh-bus-photographs?hl=en. > > > > > > <4087.jpg> > --You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Welsh Bus Photographs" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/welsh-bus-photographs?hl=en. > > > > > --You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Welsh Bus Photographs" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/welsh-bus-photographs?hl=en. --You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Welsh Bus Photographs" group. 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