Ladies and gentlemen, I may have been on the wrong side of the fence and sound unsympathetic. Here are some pertinet facts. While we can pray, sympathize, whatever,
a) The said crime if at all committed is outside Uganda. The Uganda foreign office in China has juridiction over its citizens who have problems in that country. They are the ones to intervene in such circumstances. So does a foreign office in any other country. b) Trafficking narcotics is a serious criminal offence Internationally. Some countries don't joke about this problem and deal with criminals severely& harsely. As I had stated, the sentences range from 7-15 years, depending on the country, and degree of offence. c) Some of our Lawyers on this forum may know International Law, they are the best people to investigate into this problem. I do know how much they can help when a crime is committed overseas. d) Let's educate our brothers, sisters and youngesters who want to do business internationally to be extremely cautious/careful of the laws of each country. Illegal business practice can result in long-term jail terms. *Most countries will not tolerate foreigners getting involved in any kind of criminal activity. First, you serve all the jail term and then deportation* ** e) If you know of a relative, a friend or whatever, educate them to stay away from narcotics business. It is a serious offence. If you get caught by Interpol or local security agencies, they will handle narcotic trafficking without any mercy at all. f) If you don't believe or trust what I have said, I have *live examples*. Four years ago a Jamaican woman was arrested at Heathrow Airport on Chrismas eve, she had left 14month old baby in Kingston, she is serving 14 years in England. Right after 1979 war, a woman from West Nile was arrested in France, she served 14 years. There are too many examples to quote. On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 10:10 AM, <westnilenet-requ...@kym.net> wrote: > Send WestNileNet mailing list submissions to > westnilenet@kym.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > westnilenet-requ...@kym.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > westnilenet-ow...@kym.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of WestNileNet digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Re: WestNileNet Digest, Vol 25, Issue 81 (banduga ismail) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 15:10:32 +0000 (GMT) > From: banduga ismail <bani...@yahoo.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Re: WestNileNet Digest, Vol 25, Issue 81 > To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile <westnilenet@kym.net> > Message-ID: <368702.71988...@web29712.mail.ird.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Dear All, > For us to think that certain things are beyond the scope of this forum and > yet > these things affect us directly is being subjective and in the course > inaccurate. The truth of the matter is that this issue is with us now. We > should > ask ourselves: how can we ensure that not more of our brothers and sisters > are > recruited into criminal activities like this one? As Christine observed, if > there is nothing we can do for those already in custody because of the > international nature of the crime and the complexities involved, lets say > so. > But surely we can do alot more to ensure no more of our own are > recruited. To > think that its beyond the scope of the forum is being a little bit > conservative. > Let us also admit that some people around us or in our communities may not > know > the consequences of somethings they do. For those of us who know, then we > should > tell them. knowingly or unknowingly, we comit acts that the laws interprete > either as crimes or not. > > Drug trafficking is a crime and so is murder, theft, corruption etc and the > penalties differ from country to country. You know as much as I do that > murder > is a more painful and serious crime than drug business. Don't those charged > of > murder have rights? Haven't we seen or heard those who have > committed murder > being represented, visited, counselled, given medical care and sometimes > released? As fr said, we pray for them. What we can't do, the Almight can > do. > > Ismail > -------------------------------------- > > > > > ________________________________ > From: JohnAJackson <javud...@gmail.com> > To: westnilenet@kym.net > Sent: Wed, 29 September, 2010 17:05:12 > Subject: [WestNileNet] Re: WestNileNet Digest, Vol 25, Issue 81 > > > Foreign Business & Transections > > Dear friends brothers and sisters, > > There was a post by Banduga Ismail regarding some West Nilers arrested in > China > on drug charges. "what can we do for these people" > > First of all, we should encourage and educate people who want do business > to engage in legitimate business and acquire all necessary licenses. If > some > individuals decide to invlove themsleves in criminal activities overseas, > how do > we expect this community to help them, where do we start? Do we really > want to > condone or promote criminal activities? I think this issue is beyond the > scope > and purpose of WNF. Who does not understand drug trafficking is a > violation of > International Law? The sentence ranges from 14-15 years depending on the > country. People who want to apply "Get Rich Quick Idealogy" should be held > responsible for their own weakness. Criminal activity is unacceptable, > should > not be tolerated on this forum, period. > > It's very important that people who want to do International Business must > undersnad the laws and regulations in the foreign countries where they want > to > operate. > > I rest my case. > > JJAvudria > > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 4:00 AM, <westnilenet-requ...@kym.net> wrote: > > Send WestNileNet mailing list submissions to > > westnilenet@kym.net > > > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet > >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > westnilenet-requ...@kym.net > > > >You can reach the person managing the list at > > westnilenet-ow...@kym.net > > > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >than "Re: Contents of WestNileNet digest..." > > > > > >Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Our brothers and sisters in Jails in China (banduga ismail) > > 2. Re: Guidelines for Organising Community Events (Ejibua Sam) > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >Message: 1 > >Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 07:30:17 +0000 (GMT) > >From: banduga ismail <bani...@yahoo.co.uk> > >Subject: [WestNileNet] Our brothers and sisters in Jails in China > >To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile <westnilenet@kym.net> > >Message-ID: <796694.73097...@web29715.mail.ird.yahoo.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > >Dear WNF, > > > >I want to believe that we are all aware that some of our brothers and > sisters > >are serving jail sentences in China, Iran and India. And this category are > >serving jail sentences (sentences passed without legal > representation) ranging > >from 15 years to life imprisonment for the offence of possessing narcotic > drugs. > >I have some information about the caseload in China because one of them is > my > >sister and I periodically talk to her and the embassy. Some are in Beijin > city > >(Doka Zaitun, Driwaru Florence, Norah Dezu) while others are in Ghounzhou > city > >(Habiba Musa, Bako Lucy, Drani Charles). I have received some letters from > my > >sister and her friends (all inmates) that are a little disturbing. All > these > >people are used by drug dealers who are here in Kampala but have consealed > their > >identities. > > > >Some few months ago, many of you might have seen, the media houses ran > articles > >about Ugandans serving jail sentences in china. In the article, according > to > the > >ambassador, there were 54 ugandans in jails in china and 35 of whom are > ladies > >in their early to mid thirties. > > > >I thought this is an issue worth sharing on this forum and we see if there > is > >anything we can do for our brothers and sisters, from a legal persepcetive > or > >advocacy perspective. I can understand that a crime is a crime and > depending on > >the territory where it is committed, the punishments may vary. As we know, > china > >is rather a difficult country and her human rights rating is worrying. > > > >Ismail > >-------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > >-------------- next part -------------- > >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >URL: > > > http://orion.kym.net/pipermail/westnilenet/attachments/20100929/9318d9ad/attachment-0001.html > > > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Message: 2 > >Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:38:42 +0300 > >From: Ejibua Sam <eji...@yahoo.com> > >Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Guidelines for Organising Community Events > >To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile <westnilenet@kym.net> > >Message-ID: > > <aanlktimqnox8bprzhkpd-wj_mpdyuazdpylyj9n9_...@mail.gmail.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > >Thanks members, > > > >I will incorporate any new ideas and present them for the consideration of > >the rest. Lets keep strengthening the cooperation and coordination efforts > >to the benefit of all. > > > >On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 6:36 PM, alaka caleb <calebal...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > >> Sam Ejibua and group, we are proud of the work of this committee. > >> members should take it seriously. We are taking the right direction > >> cheers ladies and gentlemen > >> > >> On 9/28/10, adii...@mtn.co.ug <adii...@mtn.co.ug> wrote: > >> > Dear All, > >> > > >> > Thanks for putting up this piece of directional focus together. This > was > >> a > >> > great stuff. > >> > > >> > Best Regards > >> > > >> > > >> > Patrick > >> > > >> > From: Charles Dra-ecabo [mailto:draec...@hotmail.com] > >> > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:06 AM > >> > To: West Nile > >> > Cc: Patrick Okuni; william.al...@postbank.co.ug > >> > Subject: RE: [WestNileNet] Guidelines for Organising Community Events > >> > > >> > Dear Sam, > >> > > >> > Thanks to the team for the good work. I like the idea of the social > >> events > >> > being specific. I believe similar guidelines will also be put in place > >> for > >> > other activities/events of the WNF. > >> > Just one little thing. Did the team discuss eligibility. For now it > may > >> not > >> > be an issue, but it may arise when there are conflicting date of > events > >> > involving an active member(one who has been participating in all > events) > >> and > >> > a passive one who emerges from no where and would like to be > supported. > >> Just > >> > something to think about. > >> > > >> > Kind Regards, > >> > > >> > Charles > >> > > >> > ________________________________ > >> > Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 07:32:02 -0700 > >> > From: eji...@yahoo.com > >> > To: westnilenet@kym.net > >> > CC: pok...@yahoo.com; rang...@newvision.co.ug; > >> william.al...@postbank.co.ug > >> > Subject: [WestNileNet] Guidelines for Organising Community Events > >> > Dear all, > >> > > >> > Attached are guidelines as discussed and adopted by a committee > >> constituted > >> > to support coordination and planning of events within the framework of > >> WNF. > >> > A copy will be placed at Naalya and other such places for members to > read > >> > and acquint themselves with. For additional information, dont hesitate > to > >> > contact the Chairman/Secretary as detailed in the attachment. > >> > > >> > Thanks and kind regards, > >> > > >> > Sam Ejibua > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ WestNileNet mailing > list > >> > WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet > >> > WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM > http://www.infocom.co.ug/All > >> > Archives can be found at > >> http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ > >> > The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them > (including > >> > attachments if any). 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