John, Great points along the line of what has already been mentioned. The last sentence of Number 4 below seems to be very interesting ... In my humble opinion, someone high (drunk with alcohol or marungi) may actually be the last one to realize he is under the influence and doing so might actually jeopardize his career (they will rather opt to hide drunkeness/intoxication) -- hence my suggestion that the conductor be given the power and authority to oversee the driver and if necessary order the driver to stop. In fact, the bus companies must institute a means of verifying their drivers' state of readiness before they depart for their journey. Whereas a conductor's role becomes essential in instances where the driver develops problems of fatique, illness or pyschological nature after he has left the station. As has already been mentioned, let people who have direct contacts with the owners of these companies transmit some of these suggestions to them for their consideration. An accident involving any of the KKT or Gaa Gaa buses has a very devastating impact not only their company's bottom line (profit) but a lot of other intangible assets such as good will, reputation, etc.
Where as the company may recover but the lives of affected persons/families/communites are changed forever! I was almost a victim of a Gaa Gaa accident in January 2008 (due to mechanical failure) but fortunately the driver was able to bring the bus to a safe stop because he was not overspeeding. On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 11:58 AM, JohnAJackson <javud...@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear brothers and sisters, > > The rate of accidents is getting scarrier every day, month or year. Perhaps > it is time to initiate some dialog with bus owners/operators > > 1) Public safety should be taken seriously over profits. The customers > command the market. Bad customer service kills any business in a fraction of > moments. Clean driving record should be essential to persons who drive > buses. > > 2) Over speeding and fatigue can be dangerous as the roads are narrow and > highways are not divided, I think it is time to sennsitize drivers that the > lives of so many people are in their hands, therefore they have the duty and > responsibility to drive carefully and responsibly. Fatigue can be as deadly > as a drunk driver. Therefore, it would make sense for bus operators to > rotate drivers so that they get rest at least 2/3 days off in a week. > > 3) Perhaps it is time to ask bus companies to ensure passengers. In the > event of such a disaster as this, the relatives of the deceased should be > compensated fairly for such losses, some of these people may leave behind > orphans without any help > 4) To all those who drive, NEVER DRIVE UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF ALCOHOL. On > the day you are high, please arrange a safe driver to be as a back up. > > Road carnage could be prevented if everyone took responsibility for their > driving habits although some accidents cannot be avaoided or predicted. > On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 9:56 AM, <westnilenet-requ...@kym.net> wrote: > >> Send WestNileNet mailing list submissions to >> westnilenet@kym.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> westnilenet-requ...@kym.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> westnilenet-ow...@kym.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of WestNileNet digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: accidents (Ejibua Sam) >> 2. Re: accidents (Kadara Kursum) >> 3. Re: Privacy of Discussions on WestNileNet (Kiggundu Mukasa) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 17:16:20 +0300 >> From: Ejibua Sam <eji...@yahoo.com> >> Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] accidents >> To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile <westnilenet@kym.net> >> Message-ID: >> >> <aanlktik3diretzfy_n8xb+pmoiydkdbo7pn4wv5ji...@mail.gmail.com<aanlktik3diretzfy_n8xb%2bpmoiydkdbo7pn4wv5ji...@mail.gmail.com> >> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Members, >> >> If we could delve alittle into these accidents as a point of concern. Over >> lunch today, some of our own experiences seem to point to the fact that >> many >> times the drivers and the turn men working in these buses dont have enough >> rest before they make a return journey besides the unwarranted competion >> that is normally displayed by some drivers. Hypothetically, I would like >> to >> think that even as the festive seasons approach, the pressure to beat the >> demand increases on the bus companies and to make more money on the >> drivers. >> Its critical to note that it is usually the drivers who bear the burden of >> the stress leading to some of these unfortunate accidents. >> >> Even without sounding too policing, I am sure some members are within "a >> chat reach" with some of the proprietors of these bus companies. Sharing >> with them such fears would go a long way in saving lives and even saving >> the >> companies such colosial loses that could be avoided. >> >> As the year end gets busier with electioneering and the festive seasons, >> we >> should avoid as much as we can the loss of lives by all the means that we >> can. >> >> On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Ezama Ruffino <ezama.ruff...@gmail.com >> >wrote: >> >> > Carol >> > Hearfelt condolences for the loss of your relative and good friend. >> > As Sam said let someone get the names of those involved in the accident >> and >> > share with us. >> > Be assured of my prayers >> > >> > Ruffino >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > WestNileNet mailing list >> > WestNileNet@kym.net >> > http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet >> > >> > WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >> > >> > All Archives can be found at >> > http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ >> > >> > The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including >> > attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any >> way. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://orion.kym.net/pipermail/westnilenet/attachments/20101025/39918cf6/attachment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 15:44:40 +0100 (BST) >> From: Kadara Kursum <kadarakur...@yahoo.co.uk> >> Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] accidents >> To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile <westnilenet@kym.net> >> Message-ID: <612657.83403...@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Condolonces to all and God Bless. >> >> Kadara Kursum Akujo >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Charles Male <cdm...@gmail.com> >> To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile <westnilenet@kym.net> >> Sent: Mon, 25 October, 2010 15:10:04 >> Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] accidents >> >> Carol, Members: >> >> Very sincere condolences to you and us all and to the other immediate >> relatives >> of the deceased. We pray for the quick recovery of the injured and all >> those who >> were in the bus or witnessed the accidents. >> >> The good roads where meant to reduce road carnages like these but it seems >> that >> the opposite is happening. >> >> We would like to appeal to KKT and Gaa Gaa owners and the ministry of >> transport >> to ensure bus operators (drivers, conductors and drivers assistants) are >> given >> mandatory training on road safety at least every six months if we are >> improve >> safey on the roads. Would not be a bad idea to encourage the conductors >> (who >> usually lead the prayers before bus departures) to intervene when they >> see the >> drivers are too fast, intoxicated or too tired to drive and order them to >> stop >> the bus. >> >> Early this year a kobokonet member highlighted the reckless >> attitudes exhibited >> by drivers of all types in Koboko. Those who find themselves behind a >> steering >> wheel should realize that they are in possession of a dangerous weapon. >> Thiis is >> no different from carrying a gun. The gun may be discharged >> unintentionally by >> its owner and kill people. Similarly, a well intentioned driver could lose >> control of the vehicle due to various reasons and hence kill people and/or >> damage property. What about a reckless driver who thinks he/she owns the >> roads? >> >> As mentioned already, we would appreciate being informed of the names of >> the >> rest of the victims if and when they become available. >> >> Charles >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Ezama Ruffino <ezama.ruff...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Carol >> >Hearfelt condolences for the loss of your relative and good friend. >> >As Sam said let someone get the names of those involved in the accident >> and >> >share with us. >> >Be assured of my prayers >> > >> >Ruffino >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >WestNileNet mailing list >> >WestNileNet@kym.net >> >http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet >> > >> >WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >> > >> >All Archives can be found at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ >> > >> >The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including >> >attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any >> way. >> >_______________________________________________ >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://orion.kym.net/pipermail/westnilenet/attachments/20101025/b0ad2fa8/attachment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 17:54:47 +0300 >> From: Kiggundu Mukasa <kiggu...@kym.net> >> Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Privacy of Discussions on WestNileNet >> To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile <westnilenet@kym.net> >> Message-ID: <8d0aebf3-311c-4a48-9096-164927c59...@kym.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> >> Hi Bernard >> I understand fully what you are saying but let me put a slight perspective >> on this. >> >> Since we do not Audit who comes on (in that I have a name and an email >> address and as you know as an IT guy know ... that is not proof of whom is >> on). >> If I get a request to put on Barack Obama <bar...@gmail.com>, I will >> gladly put them on ...... but then who is that person, is it the president >> of the US or is it someone with a sense of humor? >> >> Thus the discussions then become "public" as the group is not private >> because we cannot tell for certain who all the people are. >> >> An example ... Around the end of 2005 or begining of 2006 ... on another >> local list I run ... Our Security persons got on the list early and I did >> not know about it but found out YEARS later that they had (when someone on >> the list said something very inflammatory about the head of state of our >> country ... and what he said was very bad and very wrong ... I would not >> have wanted it said about me). >> >> Now when I was hauled in ... by one of those Three Letter Organizations >> (as the List Admin) and taken to one of those lovely places (to help with >> investigations) .... one of the things I was asked for was for contacts >> (Real names) and addresses (physical) of each and every member on the list. >> >> I could not give it (this was a fact as I did not know and could not match >> email addresses and REAL Names or Physical Locations) .... and would not >> have wanted to anyway as people who had kept quiet and never posted (the >> majority on all lists ... usually over 90% ) would have been caught up in a >> thing that they were only observers of. >> >> Anyway I had a miserable few days (about two weeks) ...... but during >> those days found out that all info on the list had been doing the rounds for >> years in govt. So it was essentially "public", not private. >> Secondly ... I was forced to find a the real name and real physical >> location of the person who had said the nasty things ( and who had >> masqueraded themselves with a false name and matching email address) .... or >> else I would visit the mythical rooms with crocodiles :-) >> By the way ... very interesting thing ... you NEVER get given a chance to >> call your lawyer like they do in the movies. :-) >> >> Anyway .... So I got to know that not all people on lists are honest (the >> security people were not honest and the person who said crap under an alias >> was not honest).... >> Secondly I got to know that the list was public (you just think its >> private because you know 10 -20 of the hundreds of people on the list ... >> and the ones you know are the vocal ones ....... not the silent ones so you >> think the 10% you hear are it .... yet over 90% are quiet ... just listening >> .... and reading ..... and sometimes copying and passing it on to others via >> secondary email addresses). ..... So you have the illusion of privacy not >> the actual reality of it. >> >> >> So if we move to make this list private then we have to do some things >> ... For example ...... do we ask for scanned copies of passports or voting >> cards before allowing people on? >> So we can match an email and a person ..... do we ask for phone numbers >> then call them and confirm? >> >> Bernard ... think of this ... When the crocodiles are licking our toes as >> we are lowered from the ceiling (remember I know your Physical location so >> this time you will be with me in that room) ... what info do we hand over is >> what you should think about .... :-) >> >> Seriously .... I am OK with either a private or a public list. >> We should just ensure it is done properly. >> >> Kiggs >> >> >> >> >> >> On Oct 25, 2010, at 4:36 PM, Bernard Vigga wrote: >> >> > Hi Kiggs, >> > >> > Thanks for your reply. >> > >> > I think my implied message to members is that, access to the archives be >> granted to subscribers only, not the general public. I see no comments from >> members except Robert Ejiku who seems to agree with me. >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > From: Kiggundu Mukasa <kiggu...@kym.net> >> > To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile <westnilenet@kym.net> >> > Sent: Mon, October 25, 2010 4:24:26 PM >> > Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Privacy of Discussions on WestNileNet >> > >> > >> > >> > Hi Bernard >> > All mails were being publicly archived on >> > >> > http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ >> > >> > And that is stated at the bottom of all emails >> > >> > They are archived according to date and topic >> > >> > Kiggs >> > >> > On Oct 25, 2010, at 12:38 PM, Bernard Vigga wrote: >> > >> >> Dear Kiggs, >> >> >> >> Hope you are doing well. >> >> >> >> Thanks for hosting the WestNileNet discussions and if I say "Awadifo >> mini gunya gunya gunya" I believe by now you understand very well. >> >> >> >> I just wanted to understand some issues to do with privacy of >> discussions on westnile Net. >> >> Is access to the discussions on WestNileNet limited to subscribers only >> or anybody can access and read but posting is to subscribers only? I have >> tried accessing discussion archives from your servers at >> http://orion.kym.net/pipermail/westnilenet/ and it lets it out without >> requesting for identification. Or could I request that access to westnile >> net discussions be limited to subsribers only. Members what do you say? >> >> >> >> Otherwise "we bale nnyo, we bale eddala" >> >> >> >> Kind regards, >> >> >> >> >> >> Bernard Vigga >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> WestNileNet mailing list >> >> WestNileNet@kym.net >> >> http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet >> >> >> >> WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >> >> >> >> All Archives can be found at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ >> >> >> >> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including >> attachments if any). 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