Very sad indeed! May his soul and that of all who have departed recently from this community rest in eternal peace.
Maureen Sent from my iPhone On 20 Jan 2011, at 07:38, Jimmy Adriko <jadr...@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear West Nilers > > I have just received news from Harry Oguda that their father Mzei Semi > Oguda passed away in Arua at 9:43am this morning. This exactly one > month after their mother Mrs Anna Oluru Oguda passed away. > > For those in this community who may not know Mzei Semi Oguda, he hails > from Logiri Vurra County. He was the person who provided alternative > land for reocation of BARIFA FOREST. Until recently he was Chairman of > Lands Board in Arua district after he retired in his service in Uganda > Prisons. > > His son Harry Oguda who lives in London is in Arua at time mzei passed away. > > Details of funeral arrangement will be communicated on this and other > fora. 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Re: {Disarmed} Re: {Disarmed} Re: {Disarmed} Re: {Disarmed} >> Re: Ten reason why Asian students excel in academics (aggrey adrale) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 21:26:44 -0800 (PST) >> From: Elvis Atibuni Sara <atib...@yahoo.com> >> To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile <westnilenet@kym.net> >> Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Happy New Year Plus Plus >> Message-ID: <114066.88820...@web56608.mail.re3.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> And OBs and OGs of Yumbe SSS also a belated happy new year to all ye brave >> fellas of the west nile net. And Kiggs we need to do a beer it has been some >> time... >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Okuti Boroa <ok...@asili.co.ug> >> To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile <westnilenet@kym.net> >> Sent: Thu, January 6, 2011 5:11:19 PM >> Subject: [WestNileNet] Happy New Year Plus Plus >> >> Dear all, >> >> My great friends defined the meanings on my names... >> >> They call for peace, unity, prosperity, inspiration, health, discovery, >> love, wisdom, desire to succeed, faith in a people and many many many many >> such words! >> >> I would like to add to The Presidents words let's start building the home, >> make it accommodative for all thin, fat, black, brown, yellow, rich, >> wealthy, not yet rich etc, Alur, Lugbara, Kakwa, Aringa, Madi, Nubian, Arab >> friends, relatives and inlaws of West Nile. All OB Associations of Ombaci, >> Mvara, Muni, Ediofe, Warr, Nyapea, St. Charles Lwanga KK, Ombatini, Arua >> Public, Moyo School and all... >> >> Let's work with progressive churches, NGO's, Local Governments, Associations >> and all to build the new city too. >> >> A city of West Nile - let's forget the little divisions that divert us from >> the bigger calling of life! Lets weed out the selfish and teach them to >> share and let God's word be shared. >> >> Happy New year and way all your wishes come true. >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WestNileNet mailing list >> WestNileNet@kym.net >> http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet >> >> WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >> >> All Archives can be found at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ >> >> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including >> attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 07:08:11 +0000 (GMT) >> From: aggrey adrale <fetagrey2...@yahoo.co.uk> >> To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile <westnilenet@kym.net> >> Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] {Disarmed} Re: {Disarmed} Re: {Disarmed} >> Re: {Disarmed} Re: Ten reason why Asian students excel in academics >> Message-ID: <747683.87689...@web29706.mail.ird.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> My Brother Vasco Oguzua, >> ? >> First I apologise for putting these few lines after I rested my case.?It >> became inevitable?to appreciate the way we have come to conclude this >> debate; appreciating our differences, similarities and what appeared?on >> certain aspects as points of departure of our views. I believe many who >> visited and tried to participate in this debate truly as you have observed >> must have picked a green leaf form the brotherly atmosphere. >> ? >> My sincere appreciation to you for your views. >> ? >> Warm regards for a good day. >> ? >> Aggrey Adrale >> >> --- On Wed, 19/1/11, Vasco Oguzua <vogu...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> From: Vasco Oguzua <vogu...@gmail.com> >> Subject: {Disarmed} Re: [WestNileNet] {Disarmed} Re: {Disarmed} Re: >> {Disarmed} Re: Ten reason why Asian students excel in academics >> To: "A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile" <westnilenet@kym.net> >> Date: Wednesday, 19 January, 2011, 20:05 >> >> >> >> Ma Adripi Aggrey Adrale, >> ? >> We have taken a long route to this destination and I think we have finally >> arrived at the same point or location of the big picture we were debating. I >> would like to say that we were?debating the same coin,?only that?perhaps we >> each emphasized on?one side of the coin to?argue?or say something about the >> coin. I think you will agree with me that we both care about the lives of >> the the people in our community West Nile and were debating how we can >> contribute improve the lives in?our community. I believe we both agree that >> whatever we are doing or have done is not enough for ourselves as >> individuals. Many of our people I think are trying their best to take >> individual responsibilities inspite of the difficult environment I am very >> aware of that. While we may have a few people who have tried their best?and >> worked hard to change their situation, it is still our responsibility to >> educate and empower those who may not have seen the light. There must be a >> reason why those may not have seen the light and if we are close to them we >> may be able to identify and try to make them understand that they could do >> better if they changed certain of their ways of doing things. My brother >> ignorance is a very dangerous disease which is at the core of poverty. If we >> can at least try to remove that shield of ignorance withing our community, I >> can assure you that you will begin to observe a drastic change in the lives >> of our people. (Please note that when I talk about ignorance, I do not mean >> luck of academic or formal education, even though we the so called educated >> can equally be ignorant of certain things which we actually are in many >> respects, especially I think we are still ignorant of why and how some of >> those people in the village are doing a little bit better than some of their >> fellow neighbours , yet they live in the same environment). >> I do know that the point you are stressing in your debate is personal >> responsibility especially in the case of education of our children, which >> is?valid, and?I also think that?even in the face of the responsibilities >> people take for trying to educate their children, there are some basic >> requirements that need to be in place for students. If parents could teach >> their children in their respective homes, I am sure they would have done >> that, but because it is not possible they have to take their kids to places >> where there is infrastructure to educate their children.?Such resources if >> provided would infact?ease the hard work on parents and would open >> opportunities for the students. As you clearly stated, we all worked hard in >> the 1970's but?I believe then, education system was much better than now in >> the 21st century. So I believe it is our responsibility as parents who have >> experienced those hardships before?to try our best to make things easier for >> the future generation, through?discussions and working as a community to >> identify the bottlenecks and improve those difficult environments?for our >> youth.?We should be able to translate the individual responsibility to >> community responsibility, because when they will see your son/daughter or my >> son/daughter out there?people will not call him/her so and so's son?or >> daughter?but this boy or girl from West Nile. That is why while we have to >> exercise our individual responsibilities and aspirations?we must not forget >> about our community responsibilities and aspirations for while we are >> individuals, we need to acknowledge that we are individuals in a community >> who depend on one another in a a very symbiotic relationship. >> ? >> Thanks for your views and I do respect the fact that you stood on your >> ground without getting emotional as some of your friends did and I applaud >> you for that. This debate can be put to?rest and?I hope we both learnt one >> or two things from each other in this debate. >> ? >> My kind Regards to you. >> ? >> Vasco? >> ? >> >> >> ? >> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 7:33 AM, aggrey adrale <fetagrey2...@yahoo.co.uk> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dear Vasco Oguzua, >> ? >> I want to sincerely thank you for your responses to what I wrote. I could >> have given to you a tour of? West Nile and a tour of my life, having worked >> in the latter for the last 10 or so years and combed other societies. >> ? >> Indeed I would not be shy of mentioning that we as many individuals >> (including myself) and society are still not doing enough for our individual >> selves; how much can we for a society? I want to put it clear that what?we >> see as hard work in West Nile is without any apparent strategy of the levels >> where the individuals want to be. I could have pointed a few examples of >> socio-economic works in which I was partner through employment or other >> means. Where certain individuals benefitted they had very clear pre-set >> agenda of where they wanted to go or at least after being awakened they >> realised their weaknesses, worked hard at correcting them?and they are now >> better individuals. For example we have a few farmers in West Nile and in >> Uganda who?have transformed and are tapping from the opportunities not seen >> by the rest. They are earning in regions of UGX 50 millions every couple of >> months, indeed when you visit their homes the homes are managed in different >> style but they were the ordinary folk not different environmentally from >> the rest. >> The second example I want to give you is myself. I dont want to talk about >> others. I went to a village school in the late 1970s, there were no text >> books, teaching was poor, teachers were hardly paid. The situation in >> secondary School was not any different either. The O-level school I went to >> hardly had the basic resources. However through determination at least I am >> now quite valuable in society. We used to dig for pay or grow crops in order >> to buy scholarstic materials. I sold items in the open market, >> calling?'customers'?like any other vendor for the purpose of raising >> money?for my cause. Tell me how many in the current generation are willing >> to do that. >> ? >> I am afraid the story you tell of the examples of the how some [people]?in >> our community (were) able to excel at international level because (they) had >> the resources and opportunity to take?(them) to that level may be different. >> I wish many of our successful people could tell their stories; most of them >> inherited nothing but had strategies to work hard at despite no or meagre >> resources.?All said above,?we have a reason to commend ourselves for >> surviving various storms?of negligences at macro and micro levels to survive >> up to this state. Let's call ourselves great that we still have the capacity >> to change. >> ? >> So self determination and personal initiative shall play a lot in our lives >> and achievements. >> ? >> I am glad you finally stated that you had no intentions of under rating our >> folks and I am in full agreement that we can all uplift ourselves though we >> may not reach the same heights. Definitely we shall have better heights and >> that is development in a sense. >> ? >> Thank you for the debate my Brother Vasco and I REST MY CASE. >> ? >> ? >> Aggrey Adrale >> ? >> >> >> --- On Tue, 18/1/11, Vasco Oguzua <vogu...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> From: Vasco Oguzua <vogu...@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] {Disarmed} Re: {Disarmed} Re: Ten reason why >> Asian students excel in academics >> To: "A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile" <westnilenet@kym.net> >> Date: Tuesday, 18 January, 2011, 23:03 >> >> >> >> Adrale, >> ? >> I think it is a waste of my time engaging with you in this debate for a >> simple reason that?did not quite understand the content of my response to >> that original article.?Let me make it simple for you perhaps it may make >> some sense.?If this?still does not make any sense to you, I will just say >> that we can agree to disagree. >> The point I made which you probably did not understand in my response was >> that?HARD WORK is not issue or anything new in the lives of people in West >> Nile in particular, and perhaps in Uganda or even in Africa.?The reason I >> did not think HARD work is not a problem in our community is because I think >> and believe people are working very hard, struggling and doing their best to >> make ends meet in their daily lives with the available resources they have >> ady in and day out. In this particular sense where academics is concerned, >> which was the topic of discussion in the original article,?I think the >> students need the necessary learning resources and infrastructure?to be able >> to compete with any of the developed countries. Just as an example how would >> you expect students to excel when?most schools?do not have libraries, test >> books, laboratories, sometimes desks, let alone teachers pay that can not >> allow them to support their families.?I gave examples of the >> differences in the developed countries with the developing countries like >> Uganda, that example was to provide a picture of why I think improving >> resources and infrastructure of the learning environment?is vital for our >> children if we want them to be successful?in?academics. That is why I gave >> the example of the how someone in our community was able to excel at >> international level because he had the resources and opportunity to take him >> to that level. >> I think you misunderstood my response as putting down our community in >> favour of the developed world.?I also mentioned that when we want to compare >> developed nations with developing nations, we have to try to make the >> playing field even, otherwise the comparisons become irrllevant. That did >> not mean that I said we can not compete with the developed nations.?I can >> tell you that any immigrant (kyeyo as they are?called) will tell the >> difference between HARD WORK in some of the developed countries?and HARD >> WORK in Uganda or West Nile if we need to remain local. Because the >> environments and resources are different, the results are in most cases will >> be different,?This difference does not mean that I am putting down or not >> encouraging the people in Uganda or West Nile as you are insinuating in your >> responses. I grew up in West Nile and went to school there and it would be >> ridiculous for me to say that our people are poor because they are not >> working hard. >> Community responsibility begins at individual responsibility because it is >> individuals who make a a consciuos decision to work or contribute in a >> community, as such you are very mistaken to think that I have an escapist >> idea of individual responsibility. I think I also gave you example of how >> some of the parents who have the resources and ability prefer taking their >> children to study in?schools that may have a little better of the resources >> and infrastructure.?If you fail to understand this explanation,?I would >> suggest?we agree to disagree with each about?our positions rather than waste >> time debating when you have decided to misunderstand and misinterpret the >> gist of the argument. This is the final time I will be writing on this >> issue. We would rather talk about what Mr Okoti Boroa presented about >> corruption which is the real cause of why these educational resources and >> infrastructure we are talking about in this debate is lacking. What is our >> role >> in contributing or attacking the rampant corruption which is denying people >> the services and resources for their livehood and academics of the students. >> ? >> I rest my case >> ? >> Vasco >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 5:52 AM, aggrey adrale <MailScanner has detected a >> possible fraud attempt from "uk.mc297.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be >> MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from >> "uk.mc297.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be fetagrey2...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Dear Vasco Oguzua, >> ? >> I thank?God and myself that I am back to my computer and I can ably respond >> to you and make you know that we are on the same debate. >> ? >> First of all I want to apologise that for unknown reason your response to me >> got posted under spam messages that is why I could not respond immediately, >> save for other commitments that kept me away from the computer. >> ? >> Your?response to John over what he shared in good faith is right below here >> and I am only going to give it a few punches here and there in the way I >> understood it, which prompted the piece I earlier wrote to you and you >> denouced of having no bearing to your debate. I am glad you expressed your >> opinion about it anyhow. >> ? >> Your first sentence reads,?"I do not think there is really anything much to >> infer from this reading, because the comparisons of social , >> economic,?educational infrastructure in the places in these articles can not >> be compared with what we have in Uganda or West Nile for that matter." As an >> opening you even failed to appreciate the warm heart John had in sharing >> that piece. To you the social, economic,?educational infrastructure and >> other conditions?in the places in these articles can not be compared with >> what we have in Uganda or West Nile for that matter. Unless you may want?us >> to belive that the good amenities enjoyed by those superior economies?just >> dropped in from heaven then there would be no reason for us to exist as >> individuals, a people, society or even country. You may need to go?backwards >> to dig into the histories, geographies, status of the educational >> infrastructure?and all other socio-economies of those countries?(which now >> have >> ?superior economies)?that is when it will dawn on you that these countries >> or societies were at one time like or worse than us. Such is the reason why >> at home we had oral tradition and in school we study subjects like History, >> Geography, Economics, Political Economies and even some sciences to compare >> notes. If we then remain dismissive and say that because of the current >> advanced status of those societies we can not infer "anything" we miss the >> point and it is worth saying that we should not even be trying to develop at >> what ever level, personal of community. I pointed out the best brains from >> the poor and developed countries in comparison at the micro level and in the >> same spirit macro (country) level comparisons?may be done. >> ? >> Your second?point goes, "While indeed it is important to talk about >> encouraging students and parents to work hard, there are certain basic >> necessities that really have to be in place. We may think that China is a >> third world, but I think China is far developed than a country like Uganda >> with almost no basic necessities of economic and social amenities....Is >> Uganda not?getting aid from China for some of its development >> projects!!!."... >> ? >> I really want to make it apparent to you that we as a society have the basic >> necessities and social amenities, save perhaps for our own failures to spot >> the opportunities. It goes back to my earlier argument that China as a >> developed third world country did not emerge one good morning and found >> herself in that status. The people set ambitions after seeing opportunities; >> they worked hard, that is the synergy between ambition and hard work at >> them...it doesn't necessarily mean cracking your palm or brain but working, >> measuring achievements and maintaining focus to attain your dreams >> preferably in a period agreeable to yourself.?Some of the basic economic and >> social amenities that are seemingly in?place in China?were not there before >> and they are not there in every part of China! My good friend Vasco, do not >> get deceived that when these countries boast of blossoming economies >> everything was and is rossy all over their nations. In many aspects these >> ?countries were even worse than some of the underdeveloped third world >> economies. Even in their present successful status they still have some >> regions, society and people who are worse than our so called poor regions, >> society and people in every aspect. Furthermore, aid because it mainly flows >> from the rich to the poor,?per se?is not always because the countries or >> individuals?just want to help due to their higher economies; you may wish to >> believe or not that much of the aid floating around in the world is out of >> the fear of the developed or richer economies loosing their dominance. >> ? >> Thinking that?"the parents and students in Uganda or West Nile 'can >> not'?easily relate to this article [since]?there are no?common easily >> identifiable attributes they have with people living in these countries >> listed.??The opportunities and infrastructure for anyone poor person to get >> rich in America are not the same as the opportunities and infrastructure for >> poor people in Uganda or West Nile. The poorest person in America could >> considered a middle class in Uganda because anyone making less than $20, >> 000.00 a year in?the USA is considered poor.... and yet in Uganda that would >> be a lot of money.The poorest public schools in? the US could be considered >> some of the best schools in Uganda just in terms of the infrastructure >> alone.? I do not know how hard work in US and hard work in Uganda or West >> Nile could be compared, especially?due to the difference in socio-economic >> amenities available to the people." You are right to say "I do not know how >> ?hard work..." but I say no to the rest of your assertions above.Through >> your article you may have already discouraged many feeble hearted souls, if >> they cared to read. We have a lot of common easily identifiable attributes >> save for the built environments in those countries, which seemed to have >> influenced your opinion to say that.? You may need to infer upon other >> socio-economic comparisons [inclusive of the?micro level] in order to belive >> that. A positive outlook would be a further good touch to compare the >> developed and our society. We have opportunities and some good >> infrastructure in our own context, which if genuinely compared gives a >> better quality of life. I have seen people attracted by the good life out >> there with all the opportunities and (1) they cannot come back because they >> cannot even raise the required money for an airticket; (2) come back to be >> challenged by the progress made by those they left behind in the land of >> 'little or?no >> ?opportunities'; (3) come back just to fit like others in society without >> anything strange or differrent or of special recognition. In short you may >> not my brother conclude for all other readers. >> ? >> Saying that "it would make sense to compare? how a poor person in Sudan, or >> DRC or Tanzania or Kenya was able to do better than a poor man in >> Uganda.?Even then the environments [in] these countries for the poor people >> where they would be operating would be different, (even) though they are >> neighbouring countries" is tantamount to?a child coming back with an >> examination report?showing?s/he was the best in a class of dull?pupils. Tell >> me if you as a parent in any sense of the word would be happy from the >> bottom of your heart about that result, let alone using the dullest pupils >> in class as the reference point. Our poor parents wouldn't be happy either, >> I guess.? >> ? >> "Our issues should be how we can foster an understanding of building or >> improving?the institutions that are supposed to help poor people improve >> their lives and advocacy of empowering our people to use the available >> resources improve their situation." This is an escapist statement from >> personal responsibility. I already gave my opinion over this based on field >> experiences and readings I have?done that the reverse as stated in >> my?earlier response seems to contribute more to sustainable?development in >> most aspects than your statement. You may wish to do more research on that. >> ? >> In? conclusion Mr. Vasco I would like to make it clear that I understood >> what you wrote in response to John's piece in the very nature?you published >> it in this forum, unless you meant otherwise, which you kept to yourself. >> You may need to make the intentions of your?debate clear through future >> writings and other fora. In any case?my duty is to understand?them the >> way?they are?and the way they will be written or said?- I will not have to >> study literature in order to understand your writings or words. >> ? >> Happy New Year to you and all those who will partake of this piece in your >> various understandings. >> ? >> Aggrey Adrale >> ? >> >> --- On Fri, 14/1/11, Vasco Oguzua <MailScanner has detected a possible fraud >> attempt from "uk.mc297.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be MailScanner has >> detected a possible fraud attempt from "uk.mc297.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to >> be vogu...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> From: Vasco Oguzua <MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from >> "uk.mc297.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible >> fraud attempt from "uk.mc297.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be >> vogu...@gmail.com> >> Subject: {Disarmed} Re: [WestNileNet] {Disarmed} Re: Ten reason why Asian >> students excel in academics >> To: "A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile" <MailScanner has detected a >> possible fraud attempt from "uk.mc297.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be >> MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from >> "uk.mc297.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be westnilenet@kym.net> >> Date: Friday, 14 January, 2011, 20:14 >> >> >> >> Dear Aggrey Adrale, >> >> Reading from your post, it is evident that you did not comprehend the >> premise or point argument in the article?John posted and my response to that >> article. You have confused HARD WORK with AMBITION, which you have so much >> expressed in your article. These two words are not synonymous and they do >> not mean the same. So there is not much for me to argue with you on this >> issue because we are not discussing the same issue in my ?view. >> You have further gone to talk about listing best brains originating from our >> locale which in my view was not the topic of discussion in those articles. I >> would request that you go back and re-read John's article so that you have a >> better understanding what was being presented and why i responded the way I >> did. There is not doubt we have brilliant brains in our community (local, >> National, Continent). I would like to remind you that the best examples of >> hard were amongst our community have been presented many times in some of >> the articles I believe the Monitor or New vision carried our sometime back >> if you have been following reading some of the articles in the news. >> When we want to compare?HARD WORK amongst developed and least developed >> countries we may need to establish some common grounds or similarities in >> the criteria upon which such comparisons are based for the comparison to be >> meaningful and for people to learn from if the purpose of the comparison?is >> to be educative at all.I have no doubt in my mind that we can excel in any >> competetion with the developed world if the grounds of out completion are >> the same for the competetors.?? >> Since you missed the?gist of the argument in the article, I?am not surprised >> that you missed the point of my response and have gone to talk about >> ambition which is not the point of discussion in those articles. >> I?hope you remember one of our brothers who represented Uganda in the >> Internationa Debating Competetion which occurred somewhere in Europe. All he >> needed was to be provided an opportunity to participate and he indeed did >> represented us so well. Without that opportunity what HARD Work? alone would >> not have taken him that far.?The?point in my response was the importance of >> creating a condusive environment in which where people can try their Luck >> through?hard work, >> I am sure you may have childreon or sisters or brothers or relatives who are >> studying in schools Kampala or even in schools like Mvara, Ombaci., Muni but >> not in some of thsoe USE schools in the village. You definitely know why you >> would prefer or have your relatives in those schools other than those other >> poor schools with very little facilities and infrasctructure. >> You may want to?re-examine your concept of ambition in the context of?the >> premise of the?original article. >> ? >> Vasco? >> ? >> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 2:41 AM, aggrey adrale <MailScanner has detected a >> possible fraud attempt from "uk.mc297.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be >> MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from >> "uk.mc297.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be fetagrey2...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dear Vasco, >> ? >> Thank you for your opinion on the article posted by John. Perhaps I would >> say that you just gave it a sloppy treat and couldn't pick from some of the >> examples of the best brains we have in the world originating from >> Africa,?Uganda and West Nile in particular, though few?despite the poor >> socio-economic, built environment and academic backgrounds they started >> from.?I would have mentioned their names but permit me not to for the >> purpose of not diluting this debate and giving the opportunity to you and >> others who may have wished to think like you to positively look at the >> merits and demerits of what John shared with the forum. >> ? >> China, Singapore and other countries like them set themselves high ambitions >> from the potentials they knew they had, to get to the levels which you do >> not want us to think about. We also do have our potentials, only that many >> times we do not sit down to evaluate and re-evaluate our selves other than >> marvelling at other peoples achievements - in simple terms, we give up!. >> Those achievements are not out of nothing but carefully orchestrated plans >> and reviews?coupled with hard work. Reading from the histories (let alone >> what is commonly published)?of the highly developed countries including >> China and Singapore, they didn't have to start from the macro or policy >> levels. Rather they held their micro-ambitions which, after relatively >> developing, they used to set policies and influence decisions. >> ? >> It is not a bad idea setting high ambitions? and such were the ambitions of >> countries such as China, Singapore and others now considerably developed. So >> it goes that at personal, family and other levels we can set and maintain >> such high ambitions and where we feel challenged we can still have the moral >> obligation of encouraging others such as our children, dependent siblings >> and all others that we care for. Perhaps our weaknesses are at policy level >> but at the micro level we have a duty to try and compete with the worlds >> best. >> ? >> Saying that and I quote from your contribution, "our issues should be how we >> can foster an understanding of building or improving?the institutions that >> are supposed to help poor people improve their lives and advocacy of >> empowering our people to use the available resources improve their >> situation". I would like to?turn your statement in the reverse order that we >> first use the available resources to improve our situation and emerge as an >> empowered society to advocate for further improvement of our lives; build >> and improve institutions that help to protect our improved lives. >> ? >> Please when you review your contribution to what John posted, encourage us >> to try and fail but not fail to try?to rate our selves against the world's >> best. >> ? >> Aggrey Adrale >> >> --- On Wed, 12/1/11, Vasco Oguzua <MailScanner has detected a possible fraud >> attempt from "uk.mc297.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be MailScanner has >> detected a possible fraud attempt from "uk.mc297.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to >> be vogu...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> From: Vasco Oguzua <MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from >> "uk.mc297.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible >> fraud attempt from "uk.mc297.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be >> vogu...@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Ten reason why Asian students excel in academics >> To: "A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile" <MailScanner has detected a >> possible fraud attempt from "uk.mc297.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be >> MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from >> "uk.mc297.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be westnilenet@kym.net> >> Date: Wednesday, 12 January, 2011, 18:45 >> >> >> >> John, >> ? >> ?I do not think there is really anything much to infer from this reading, >> because the comparisons of social , economic,?educational infrastructure in >> the places in these articles can not be compared with what we have in Uganda >> or West Nile for that matter. While indeed it is important to talk about >> encouraging students and parents to work hard, there are certain basic >> necessities that really have to be in place. We may think that China is a >> third world, but I think China is far developed than a country like Uganda >> with almost no basic necessities of economic and social amenities....Is >> Uganda not?getting aid from China for some of its development projects!!!. >> I think the parents and students in Uganda or West Nile can not?easily >> relate to this article there are no?common easily identifiable attributes >> they have with people living in these countries listed. The opportunities >> and infrastructure for anyone poor person to get rich in America are not the >> same as the opportunities and infrastructure for poor people in Uganda or >> West Nile. The poorest person in America could considered a middle class in >> Uganda because anyone making less than $20, 000.00 a year in?the USA is >> considered poor.... and yet in Uganda that would be a lot of money.The >> poorest public schools in? the US could be considered some of the best >> schools in Uganda just in terms of the infrastructure alone.? I do not know >> how hard work in US and hard work in Uganda or West Nile could be compared, >> especially?due to the difference in socio-economic amenities available to >> the people. It would make sense to compare? how a poor person in Sudan, or >> ?DRC or Tanzania or Kenya was able to do better than a poor man in Uganda. >> Even then the environments these countries for the poor people where they >> would be operating would be different, even though they are neighbouring >> countries. Our issues should be how we can foster an understanding of >> building or improving?the institutions that are supposed to help poor people >> improve their lives and advocacy of empowering our people to use the >> available resources improve their situation.?? >> ? >> Vasco?? >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 10:52 AM, JohnAJackson <MailScanner has detected a >> possible fraud attempt from "uk.mc297.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be >> MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from >> "uk.mc297.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible >> fraud attempt from "uk.mc297.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be MailScanner has >> detected a possible fraud attempt from "uk.mc297.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to >> be javud...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Dear friends of West Nile Forum?, >> ?I thought you might like to read this info and tune the mind of your >> brothers, sisters, sons or duaghters >> ? >> Top 10 Ways To Play >> China's Obsession With >> Academic Excellence >> >> by Tony Sagami >> >> Dear John, >> ? >> I was less than two years old when my parents divorced in 1957 >> for us in America. Why? >> My mother knew that a half-Japanese, half-American child had limited >> opportunities in Japan. It wasn't like it is today; the wounds from World >> War II were too fresh. I would have never gone to a top university or landed >> a top job. >> Even though my mother barely spoke English and seldom had more than two >> nickels to rub together, she fiercely held to the idea of the American >> dream. "In America, anybody can get rich if they work hard," she told me. >> My mother ordered me to sit in the front row right in front of the teacher's >> desk. She gave me almost daily lectures on the importance of education, and >> punished me severely if I brought home anything less than an A. My mother >> was a big believer in corporal punishment and I got the spankings of my life >> for anything less than straight A's. >> For someone who started off as a homeless immigrant, my mother saw all her >> children grow up to achieve great professional success. I am sad to say that >> my mother died seven years ago from cancer, but I preach the same lessons >> about education to my children to this day. >> External Sponsorship >> >> Guess Who Tops Global Education Performance? >> >> Students from 65 countries, including the United States, recently took the >> Program for International Student Assessment, known as PISA, given by the >> Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD). >> Guess who came in first in reading, math and science? Students in China's >> Shanghai Province. To view the OECD's PISA press release, click here. >> To jump directly to the PISA data table, click here. >> That is very impressive given that this is the first time China had taken >> part in the test. >> ? >> PISA tests are scored on a scale with 500 as the average. Two-thirds of >> students in participating countries score between 400 and 600. >> On the math test, the Chinese students beat everybody by a wide margin. >> Second-place Singapore, which has been seen as an educational superstar in >> recent years, scored 562. Germany was a distant third at 513. >> The United States scored 487, a score that was behind 30 other countries. >> On the reading test, China had the top score again at 556. South Korea came >> in second with 539 and the United States came in 17th with a 500, clustered >> around students from the Netherlands, Belgium, Norway, Germany, France, and >> the United Kingdom. >> In science, China was first AGAIN with a 575. Finland came in second with a >> 554 and the United States came in 23rd with a 502. >> What is the secret to China's academic success? Simple; they work their >> butts off. Most Chinese students don't finish until 5 p.m. or 6 p.m., watch >> little television and play very few video games. Chinese students are >> prohibited from working before the age of 16, so they can concentrate on >> school. Plus, most students attend tutoring classes after school and on >> Saturdays. >> "Very rarely do children in other countries receive academic training as >> intensive as our children do. 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