Thanks comrades. I think the key thing left is to attend or where appropriate send issues/questions that need clarification. At times it's hard to make comments on a concept which I haven't seen. My apologies for not being in position to attend. Thanks. On Oct 6, 2012 7:59 AM, "Caleb Alaka" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I think the presentation on Sunday will be about the development concept > and the business case. It will answer all these questions. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 5, 2012, at 11:07 PM, Caleb Alaka <[email protected]> wrote: > > Vasco, Arua is like old Kampala. It has Oli Division which is > unexapandable and Arua Hill Division which has no room for expansion . The > structural plan the town had was that of 1984. The town was bedeviled > during the term of Wereba as the town clerk. When statutory leases were > abolished, land in the Municipal reverted to the District Land Board though > it was the Municipal which allocated the land. I even doubt whether the > municipal had a master plan. Look at the Impasse the Hospital lagoon > caused. By the way, the dilapidated structures had valid leases running on > them. To transform Arua is difficult because those houses are in accordance > with the terms and conditions of the leases. It is against this background > that one can easily conclude that Arua is dead. It cannot grow. May be I > should state that it is stunted. Otherwise thanks every body for the > debate. It is healthy. Good night > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 5, 2012, at 7:32 PM, Vasco Oguzua <[email protected]> wrote: > > Mr. Candia, > > I think I would need some education on the Eco-City project not a lecture. > if the information was shared widely may be I ould have at read for my self > and educated myself. However, the point of my concern is why open a virgin > forest land has to be destroyed for development at this time when there is > a lot of existing undeveloped or underdeveloped areas lying around in a > sorry state, and yet there are no attempts or decisions made to develop > them. I am aware that there will come a time when the Barifa area will be > considered for expansion of Arua urban development, but I do not think the > time is now. The municipal council together with business people, > including the chamber of commerce and other local leaders in Arua need to > understand the fact that lack of attraction of businesses in Arua is not > lack of a new urban area, but the absolute lack of good infrastructure. > > I truly will appreciate if any of the technical team can send me the > business concept documents especially the document that provides the > rationale or statement of the problem or need for which the business > concept was developed and what alternatives were employed to arrive at the > decision that a new virgin land had to be opened to develop Arua > municipality. > > Ms. Winfred you are right on the point of where the funds for the new > development will be obtained if there is no fund for redeveloping the > existing dilapidated infrastructure. > > As for Mr. Alaka, I do appreciate your response but what I am is not clear > to me is how Arua has hit a dead end, which you mentioned in your response. > Arua has hit a dead end in what and why? > > Thanks for your responses, > > Vasco > > On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Winfred Adukule <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Vasco i agree with you entirely! Candia its not a matter of brushing >> Vasco off he has asked pertinent questions and the 'technical team' should >> answer on the same forum! >> And to pick up from where Vasco left off. . . >> >> If its an issue of urban growth what has been done to salvage the >> existing infrastructure? If the district has failed to raise funds how then >> are the funds going to be readily available to put up such a project? >> >> If we are taking openess let all interests pecuniary or otherwise be laid >> on the table for all to discuss! >> >> Its really unfortunate that a forest has to be cut down all in the name >> of development! Its a pity indeed >> >> Winfred Adukule >> On 5 Oct 2012 15:35, "aliti candia" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Vasco requires some lectures from the technical team of ECO CITY in >>> order to appreciate the need for urban growth of Arua. >>> >>> *Candia Tom Aliti** >>> Principal Finance Officer * >>> *Budget and Finance Division, **Planning Department,* >>> *Directorate of planning and Development,**Ministry of Health.* >>> *P O Box 7272,Kampala.* >>> >>> *Mob Tel. +256772574789* >>> >>> Email: [email protected]. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *In justice and moments of decision, do not maintain attitude of >>> indifference.* >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> --- On *Fri, 10/5/12, Caleb Alaka <[email protected]>* wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: Caleb Alaka <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Sunday fete at Kati Kati >>> >>> To: "A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile" <[email protected]> >>> Cc: "A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile" <[email protected]> >>> Date: Friday, October 5, 2012, 5:28 AM >>> >>> >>> Well stated Vasco, your concerns are legitimate, the last time I was >>> in Arua Avenue, the road was deplorable. Indeed I took issue with the Mayor >>> and the LC3 Chairperson of Arua Hill Division. I was informed that the >>> roads in Arua town were taken over by the Uganda National Roads Authority >>> and that the Company contracted to work on Vura customs Odia -Koboko road >>> would work on the same. Barifa indeed is a sticky issue. Apparently that >>> land was gazetted as a forest reserve meaning that the National Forestry >>> Authority is at law the owner of Barifa. It is for that reason that NFA >>> told Arua Municipality to get an alternative land to relocate the forest >>> before the same could be de-gazetted. It is true Arua has more pressing >>> problems. However, it is a fact that Arua has hit a dead end. Efforts to >>> expand its boundaries suffered a still birth, indeed there were plausible >>> reasons for Ayivu elders to resist the expansion of the town. Arua has been >>> floated for a city status by the Urban Authorities Association. The idea of >>> developing Barifa as an Eco city is in tandem with those aspirations. Gen. >>> Saleh is an Encroacher or trespasser on that land. He has not taken the >>> whole of Barifa. Indeed the master plan for the Eco city will not have room >>> for illegal structures. All these are issues we need to address. West Nile >>> Foundation does not have a hall and we can not consult under a tree. Lest >>> not imagine that 20,000 shs which is the equivalent of Us$ 4 is the >>> boundary of haves and have nots. We should encourage the culture of low >>> self esteem. Any way your leadership considered the issue and waived off >>> the 20,000 and those who feel that the water or soda they will take is not >>> free and the venue they will have with electricity e.t.c has to be paid >>> for will in the spirit of self help pay the 20,000. But those who genuinely >>> can not afford the same should turn up. This is a consultative meeting. >>> >>> Sent from my iPho >>> >>> On Oct 5, 2012, at 7:52 AM, Vasco Oguzua <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> This is interesting to read about Nile Eco-City Development, the >>> Business Case concept for Barifa. Just recently I read on the papers about >>> the issue of Barifa Land being given to Salim Saleh for paying Ex_Soldiers >>> and building a memorial. It seemed in the article about Barifa Land was >>> still being contested for how the land was being given to Saleh. Now there >>> is already a consultative meeting being done for the development of this >>> same land. I was wondering if that issue of the forest land being given to >>> Saleh has been finalized and mutually agreed upon by the municipal council >>> in Arua in whose jurisdiction that land falls and are responsible for the >>> initiation and planning of development projects in the municipal. >>> I was wondering if these people who are presenting the business concept >>> working for Saleh or are they being hired or contracted by Arua Municipal >>> Council? I would imagine that if the municipal council is really very >>> serious about the development of Arua Municipality, their priority would >>> be at least to fix the dilapidated infrastructure in the municipality, the >>> roads (pedestrians and vehicles share the same narrow roads and there are >>> no pavements for pedestrians to walk, no proper sewage system as such you >>> go around the town and especially around the dilapidated market where you >>> find feaces all over the place creating health hazards for the population, >>> Some of the public toilets in places like the one at Gagaa Bus stage is >>> deplorable to visit. I guess as there is no electricity in the town, it is >>> difficult to talk about traffic lights which used to be available and >>> working. The buildings are all worn out and need renovation. I do not know >>> if the Arua Chamber of commerce still exists, but I would imagine that >>> those kinds of meetings would be associated with the redevelopment of town >>> rather than exploiting the forest area. All the office Buildings are in >>> shambles, just the other day I heard the Police station toilets were in a >>> deplorable situation. I tend to think the current priority should be to >>> renovate the current infrastructure in Arua municipality, but not to cut >>> more trees for a new town centre >>> Picturing how much there is to do in the redevelopment of the >>> municipality, it would be inconceivable to think of breaking a forest land >>> to build a new town centre while there is still so much to do in the >>> current business centre. I wonder if these development concepts are what >>> people are crying for or provide the current needed services to the >>> population in their current demand and needs or are they just selfish >>> individual profiteering interests???!. >>> I even wonder why any consultation in the public interest should have a >>> fee to attend! Is that to weed out the haves from the have nots. I would >>> beg to think that public consultations should be open fora for every >>> interested and concerned individuals that limiting the attendance to a few >>> who can afford the 20,000.00/- which is not small amount for the ordinary >>> people. >>> >>> Vasco >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Ocaatre Ronald Miria < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi President! >>> This sounds very exciting and i wish i would be there to witness the >>> presentations. >>> These are the kind of things we want to see from our own as we work to >>> develop WN. I want to thank Joel and Dennis for their visionary out look >>> for the region. >>> Brothers and Sisters the challenge is now for us to see how we can pick >>> up and popularise this dream for the Great West Nile. >>> Caleb receive my apologies since i will be in town after 7th october. >>> Best of luck to you all. Let us get to know what next after the >>> presentation. >>> >>> Ronald M Ocaatre >>> >>> >>> --- On *Wed, 3/10/12, Caleb Alaka <[email protected]>* wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: Caleb Alaka <[email protected]> >>> >>> Subject: [WestNileNet] Sunday fete at Kati Kati >>> To: "A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile" <[email protected]> >>> Date: Wednesday, 3 October, 2012, 15:34 >>> >>> >>> West Nile Foundation has organized a consultative meeting about the Nile >>> Eco-City development concept and the business case for Barifa at Kati Kati >>> Restaurant main hall Next to Lugogo indoor stadium Kampala on Sunday the >>> 7th day of October 2012 at 2: 30 p.m. Come and see and listen to >>> presentations from our own genius Joel Aita and Dennis Aliga vide Joader >>> Consult and DMA Capital who will present the master plan for Barifa. Guest >>> of Honour is the Hon. Dr. Eng. Gabriel Aridru Minister of State Finance >>> (Investment ) and M. P Arua Municipality. Get in touch with Mr. Anguzu >>> Rogers and Azabo Francis and register for the same with a fee of Ug. Shs >>> 20,000/- the earlier you register the better, we have limited place. Come >>> and be part of the revolution. >>> >>> in attendance is who is who from West Nile and friends of West Nile. >>> >>> Caleb Alaka >>> President West Nile Foundation >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WestNileNet mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet >>> >>> WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >>> >>> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including >>> attachments if any). 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