On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 18:25:45 +0100, Colin Lieberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Alexey, I see your point regarding buttons, but there are many other cases where an a element seems unnecessary and redundant (as others have pointed out):

Navigation:
<ul id="main_nav">
<li href="/">Home</li>
<li href="/about/">About</li>
</ul>

How is this better than <li><a></a></li>, not taking the amount of typing into account?

clickable images (like a thumbnails gallery)

This is not really different from "clickable text".

Clickability is a presentational/behavioral property specific to interactive visual media with a pointing device, but the semantics of clickable-something is usually "hyperlink" (though sometimes e.g. "button"). To express hyperlink semantics, we have <a>.

glossary links: <abbr title="hypertext markup language" href="/glossary.php#html">html</abbr>

For <abbr>, it's probably worth adding the href attribute if the use case is frequent. The rationale would be that the semantic unit delimited by <abbr> can be said to have such property as the reference URL to look up the definition.

There are, I think, numerous cases like these we encounter every day where an a is slipped inside another element because that's the only way to make the link, and the anchor itself serves no other purpose.

Most cases when there are nested <a> and some other element which cover exactly the same range (<a><other>...</other></a> or <other><a>...</a></other>) don't deserve merging of <a> and <other> because it just happens sometimes that the elements cover the same range, but it could be different. For example, an <a> could cover only part of a <li> in your example above, or <a> in a gallery item could include both a thumbnail and a caption below that.

From a semantics point of view, the clickablility of an object and the destination URI of that action is a property of the element itself, and it makes much more sense to me to use an attribute, rather than a separate element, for these sorts of cases.

"Clickability" is presentational/behavioral. "Destination URI" has different semantic meaning when applied to different elements, and no meaning at all when applied to some (e.g. <input>).


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