On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 18:20:43 +0100, Robert Brodrecht
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Anne van Kesteren Wrote
IE doesn't have a broken box model in standards mode.
I was under the impression you wanted to throw out different rendering
modes because they are difficult for implementors. If so, at least for
IE and presumably quirksmode in other browsers, since they tend to mimmic
IE's quirks), there would be two box models that aren't reconcilable.
No, I don't want to introduce more rendering modes. I explained that
having standards mode is already a pain. If for Internet Explorer having a
real standards mode is unavoidable for some reason I'd suggest (and have)
that they use <!doctype html> in text/html and XML in general to trigger
it.
Authors code against implementations, not specifications.
Yeah, authors eventually end up doing browser testing, and, in that way,
code against an implementation. However, I have to look at the
specification to determine what is valid markup.
You're not a "normal" author then. 97% of the web or so contains syntax
errors.
It seems, according to implementations, that HTML, HTML-XHTML, and real
XHTML all allow "user invented tags." While they don't validate
(validating is coding against a spec), the browsers I test on all
rendered the content and applied CSS markup. Except for Safari in real
XHTML, the
element was added to the DOM and accessible with JavaScript. This seems
roughly congruent with HTML specs[2], though I don't know if it is
congruent with CSS specs and DOM specs. However, if I code against the
implementation, not bothering to code against the specification (e.g. by
validation or by looking at the specification), I can make up my own
elements and have them render on the page.
Since validation is a part of the web standards movement, I would say
that authors worth their salt will code against both implementations and
specifications.
I'm not sure what this has to do with the other points made in this thread.
[1] http://whatwg.robertdot.org/files/20070314-invented-tags/
[2] http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/appendix/notes.html#notes-invalid-docs
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Anne van Kesteren
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