Your movie showed as a grey square and hanged Internet Explorer and I had to log out. Was that intended? Chris
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 12:02 AM To: 'WHAT working group' Subject: Re: [whatwg] Some <video> questions > Inserting a [SWF] file into a video element is similar to inserting > an HTML file that happens to have a link to video: sure, it links > to a video, but it does a billion other things too - it isn't > in itself the video. I hear you. FWIW, here's a QuickTime Movie that's also not in itself the video: http://wiltgen.net/tempy/badder.mov Please pardon the content. It's what I had handy from some previous testing. :^)