This sounds like a good idea to me.
First off 'irrelevant' is pretty hard to spell for non-native english
speakers (go sweden!).
Second, the elements are in fact relevant to the page since in all
likelihood they will be used later. 'ignore' feels like a better
description since it's weaker. We want to acknowledges the existance of
the element, but tells you to not pay attention to it.
Though I might be making making the last part up given that I fall into
the first category :)
/ Jonas
Nicholas C. Zakas wrote:
From this thread, it seems like the true purpose of irrelevant is to
add to HTML the logical equivalent of display:none in CSS. If that is
true, then I'd agree with Jeff that renaming the attribute "ignore" or
"omit" is a good idea. Can anyone either confirm or deny the purpose of
this attribute as the following description:
"This attribute is used to indicate part of a document whose content is
not considered primary to the page. In visual UAs, elements with this
attribute are not rendered; in non-visual UAs, elements with this
attribute are not read as part of the normal content flow."
Thoughts?
-Nicholas
----- Original Message ----
From: Jeff Walden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Nicholas C. Zakas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: James Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; whatwg@lists.whatwg.org
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 11:41:41 AM
Subject: Re: [whatwg] @Irrelevant [was: Re: Thoughts on HTML 5]
Nicholas C. Zakas wrote:
> If the true purpose of the irrelevant attribute is to aid in
> accessibility, then I think the name is completely wrong. The term
> "irrelevant" is confusing because, as I stated before, why would anyone
> include content in a page that is irrelevant? What you really need is a
> way to say "this is relevant only for non-visual UA's". Perhaps a better
> attribute name would be "nonvisual"?
Unnecessarily suggests a particular medium of display; I suggest the
shorter alternatives ignore(d) or omit(ted) if you really want the
functionality.
The biggest problem with the attribute is the spec doesn't sufficiently
clearly describe the motivation for it; I suggest mentioning the
preloading of iframes as such an example (they don't load/render if
they're display:none, so it's either visibility:hidden (?) or launching
the element into outer space offscreen with position/top/left), perhaps
in an informative paragraph.
Jeff
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