Sure, I agree - so, deprecate the <b>, <i>, <u> and <s> tags then.
On 2012-05-02 12:39 PM, Ashley Sheridan wrote:
On Wed, 2012-05-02 at 11:31 +1000, Shaun Moss wrote:
I know it's contentious, but as a teacher it's very simple to teach
students of HTML5 that:
<u> = underline
<b> = bold
<i> = italic
<s> = strikethrough
Of course, I also teach<strong> and<em>, but the simplest way to teach
<b> and<i> is that it's merely an easy way to create bold or italic
text when the meaning of<strong> or<em> doesn't apply. They represent
a convenience that spares the author the work of using span tags and
creating a CSS class with font-weight or font-style properties.<u> is
the same, just an easy way to create underlined text. It doesn't really
need semantics piled on top of it - that just makes it harder to teach
and learn. But using Chinese names or misspelled text as /examples/ of
when to use<u> is another matter.
I grok the desire to have all tags defined semantically, but if the
semantic definitions add unnecessary complexity, then it just seems like
a kludge. Anyone can understand<b> = bold.
Shaun
On 2012-04-30 3:46 PM, Andrés Sanhueza wrote:
> The<u> element was made conforming due to widespread usage and for
> some cases were other elements weren't suitable. However, I feel that
> the current definition is not very clear, as it gives two somewhat
> unrelated used for it: misspelled text and proper names on Chinese. I
> believe that is fine if is one or the other, but by the current
> definition seems that the purpose of retaining the element is merely
> were to underline needs to be used to represent something regardless
> what it is, which seems inconsistent with other similar tags that are
> better defined to have more finite purposes that aren't based on the
> fallback presentational look, even if relevant at the time of defining
> those. By the definitions seems that proper names and book names are
> suitable to be indicated by<b> and<cite> respectively; or some new
> element altogether. I'm aware that the fallback look is an issue, yet
> I believe it should be resolved in a more consistent way.
I still seems more important to ask why something should be bold or
italic. Surely getting students into the mindset of describing their
data is more beneficial?
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