On May 16, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Jonas Sicking <jo...@sicking.cc> wrote:

> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Anne van Kesteren <ann...@annevk.nl> wrote:
>> I just wanted to correct one small thing here.
>> 
>> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Jonas Sicking <jo...@sicking.cc> wrote:
>>> (The difference that the w3c lists were private is not really a
>>> meaningful difference if we're telling people to join CGs and do
>>> development there).
>> 
>> "We" have not done that, but unfortunately nobody called out the bad
>> suggestion either :-(
>> 
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-whatwg-archive/2012Feb/0194.html
> 
> I'm not sure what you think it's a bad suggestion? I would say that
> the CG was more successful in attracting author feedback than WhatWG
> currently is.

The downside of the CG as executed is that it was much less successful in 
attracting browser implementor feedback (in part because it was apparently not 
advertised in places frequented by browser standards people). So the 
implementor feedback only got applied later, and without full knowledge and 
understanding of the CGs efforts. It's not useful to have a standards process 
that doesn't include all the essential stakeholders.

The most important point though is that no one from the WHATWG recommended 
creating a CG. Saying that the existence of the CG obligates people to respond 
there is not really scalable, the logical conclusion would be that HTML 
standards discussion has to be spread among all future newly created groups 
that try to do anything HTML-related, even ones not advertised in the existing 
places. I don't see how that is a reasonable policy. It would be like if I made 
my own mozilla-feature-planning list and then got mad at Mozilla folks for not 
replying there when making release plans.

Regards,
Maciej

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