max-height and max-width and orientation change, but device-width does
not change.
It should behave like device-width because it should be applied when the
resources are fetched and the page is rendered.
Yes low and high are relative, which is why it should be determined by
the browser potentially with user preference settings to what means high
and low to the user.
Someone using a service where they pay for all their bandwidth may want
it always defined as low except when on wifi, someone who doesn't pay
for bandwidth may want it only set to low when their phone only has two
bars.
Leaving it up to the client allows it to remain relative. It doesn't
need to be more fine-grained than high or low because web designers
aren't likely to make use of more than two options anyway.
On 12/09/2016 07:32 AM, Jonathan Zuckerman wrote:
Michael - I think "high" and "low" are very relative terms, defining those
terms for all users for all time doesn't seem possible. Also,
connectivity/bandwidth are subject to change at any moment during the
lifetime of a page. Current media queries like `max-height` or
`min-resolution` would respond to changes, have you thought about how your
proposed addition would behave?
Currently you can use javascript to figure out if the network will support
your enhanced experience (and you're free to define what that means) and
add a classname to the document to trigger the css rules for that
experience, so you can build the feature you're asking for using existing
parts. It's not baked into the platform, but because of the nature of the
web and vagueness of the requirements, I'm not sure it's possible to do any
better.
On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 9:07 AM Michael A. Peters <mpet...@domblogger.net>
wrote:
This was inspired by inspection of a style-sheet in the wild that uses
screen-width to try and reduce bandwidth needs of mobile devices.
I like the concept, but very often I use my mobile devices where
bandwidth doesn't matter and my laptop via a mifi where bandwidth does
matter.
I would like a CSS media query for bandwidth so that I can reduce how
many webfonts are used in low bandwidth scenarios. It seems browsers are
already smart enough to only download a font defined by @font-face if
they need it, so it only needs to be done where the font is used, e.g.
pre {
font-family: 'monoFont-Roman', monospace;
}
pre em {
font-family: 'monoFont-Italic', monospace;
font-style: normal;
}
pre strong {
font-family: 'monoFont-Bold', monospace;
font-weight: normal;
}
pre em strong {
font-family: 'monoFont-BoldItalic', monospace;
font-style: normal;
font-weight: normal;
}
pre strong em {
font-family: 'monoFont-BoldItalic', monospace;
font-style: normal;
font-weight: normal;
}
@media screen and (device-bandwidth: low) {
pre strong {
font-family: 'monoFont-Roman', monospace;
font-weight: 700;
}
pre em strong {
font-family: 'monoFont-Italic', monospace;
font-weight: 700;
}
pre strong em {
font-family: 'monoFont-Italic', monospace;
font-weight: 700;
}
}
That right there cuts the number of fonts the low-bandwidth device needs
in half, and could have even gone further and used fake italic if the
fake italic for the font looks good enough.
The small increase in CSS file size doesn't matter with high bandwidth
clients and is justified for low-bandwidth as it reduces the content
that needs to be fetched.
It would be up to the client to define the device-bandwidth, web
developers should create the CSS for high bandwidth and only have the
alternate CSS kick in when a media query says it is low.
Honestly I think low or high are the only definitions needed with low
being the only one that a site should have conditional styles set for.
-=-
The same concept could be applied to html5 media too. e.g. I could serve
the 64 kbps opus to clients that don't define themselves as low, and the
32 kbps opus to clients that do define themselves as low.
How to handle media in situations where a service worker pre-fetches
content I haven't thought about, because a client may pre-fetch content
before the bandwidth constraint changes, but I suspect there's a clever
solution to that (e.g. always fetch high bandwidth when async pre-fetch
and then use high bandwidth when cached even if in low bandwidth mode)
But html5 media can be figured out later, CSS is what I really would
like to see a bandwidth media query for.
Thoughts?
