I wonder if my comment will emerge from blog moderation!... Just asked if there was anything behind his claims (of Wicket users) and noted the lack of equanimity compared with when he claimed the reverse regarding refactoring!
/Gwyn On 11/12/06, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That comment on Howard's blog was a bit flamish, but otoh HLS seems to > have very long toes. Wow, remarks like 'One of the great things about > the Tapestry community is that they are quite a bit more enlightened > than uses in other communities' are pretty snobbish indeed. > > There are a couple of instances that can be found where HLS seems to > have a particular problem with Wicket (users). The idea that Wicket is > based on Tapestry is so wrong though. Jonathan read a book on Tapestry > before starting Wicket. Some of the ideas stuck, and terms like > Application and RequestCycle etc can be traced back to that, but he > thought in general Tapestry wasn't what he was looking for, and > decided to write a framework that did suit his own needs. He told me > that some of the underlying ideas he used for Wicket were ideas he > advocated over at SUN years before that. Anyway, anyone with at least > some basic understanding of *both* frameworks (and Howard himself > doesn't seem to fit into that category if one was to judge from his > remarks) would know that in fact they hardly have anything in common, > both in terms of how it is implemented, and how the programming model > works. > > I also like to state that even though we obviously think Wicket is a > better alternative (and for my own taste so are GWT and Echo) to > Tapestry, we don't hate Tapestry and go out harassing it's community > where we can, but on the contrary usually praise it as one of the > better web dev frameworks for Java. > > Eelco > > > On 12/11/06, Francis Amanfo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ok, I've found that comment from Howard on Wicket: > > > > "Wicket is an interesting refactoring of Tapestry that has a small, very > > vocal community built around it. However, if I was to fork the Tapestry > > community and create a new code base from scratch, you can guarantee that > > what I came up with would not be as unambitous as Wicket!" > > > > To read more see > > http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=38407 > > > > > > On 12/11/06, Francis Amanfo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > However, I vaguely remember sometime back when Howard made a similar > > comment about Wicket at theserverside.com. At least, I hope he realizes how > > bad that feels. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/11/06, Iman Rahmatizadeh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hmm, > > > > I think that was a cruel thing to say. Open source is all about open > > idea's. Many wicket users have been using tapestry before and have now > > switched to wicket, and surely many idea's in the wicket world come from > > tapestry. If tapestry 5 is implementing some idea's from wicket, I think > > everybody here welcomes that and there's no need to make a hype about it. > > > > However, I did a google on the tapestry mailing list archives to see > > exactly who has a "disturbing trend" of starting a flame war. I didn't find > > anything anywhere, so I assume the people on this list is not of the type > > howard thinks they are :-). > > > > > > > > Iman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/11/06, Francis Amanfo < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > > > A blog comment poster asked Howard if the upcoming Tapestry 5 is a > > refactor of Wicket. > > > > > > > https://beta.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4110180&postID=266226734789322024 > > > > > I think it wasn't a nice thing to say but hope the poster was trying > > to be funny. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Beware of bugs in the above code; > > > > > I have only proved it correct, not tried it. > > > > > -Donald Knuth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. 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