Dear Gerhard, deal All,
Thank you for the answer.
Yes, this is indeed quite obvious with 3/2 and 1/2 etc. Now I see that
the difference in occupation inside the sphere comes from slightly
different radial wave functions for 3/2 and 1/2.
Is there a "right way" to deal with the symbol size when plotting the
fat bands?
Best,
Lukasz
On 2024-04-09 22:28, Fecher, Gerhard wrote:
did you see the occupancies, then you should know whether the orbital
with or without star (*) belongs to the spin-orbit split j=l+1/2 and
j=l-1/2 orbitals
p_1/2 p_3/2
d_3/2 d_5/2
f ....
but it is also clear from the energies, isn't it.
Ciao
Gerhard
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Dear Prof. Blaha, dear All,
I would like to come back to the issue of the charge inside the sphere.
Our particular case is PtTe2, but it is general. Calculation are
spin-polarized with SOC, all atoms were disconnected/split (so I have
Pt, Te1, and Te2 atoms to make sure I can check all spin reversals on
different atoms etc).
RMTs are 2.5 for Pt and 2.48 for Te. Relevant parts of the
case.outputst
are below. Obviously, Pt 5d and Te 5p are the most relevant, their
charges inside the sphere are approx. 0.85 and 0.5.
To avoid guessing, I would appreciate an explanation of the different
columns in case.outputst. What are the orbitals with the stars?
I am getting partial densities by using the qtl program, typically with
real-orbitals or Ylm basis.
For plotting fat bands, should I divide the numbers from case.qtlup/dn
by the charge inside the sphere?
Best,
Lukasz
Pt
E-up(Ry) E-dn(Ry) Occupancy q/sphere core-state
1S -5756.006478 -5756.005274 1.00 1.00 1.0000 T
2S -1010.356841 -1010.352378 1.00 1.00 1.0000 T
2P* -968.214397 -968.211103 1.00 1.00 1.0000 T
2P -841.118352 -841.114494 2.00 2.00 1.0000 T
3S -237.291552 -237.289470 1.00 1.00 1.0000 T
3P* -218.410048 -218.407658 1.00 1.00 1.0000 T
3P -190.470613 -190.468370 2.00 2.00 1.0000 T
3D* -159.097230 -159.093734 2.00 2.00 1.0000 T
3D -153.076620 -153.073194 3.00 3.00 1.0000 T
4S -50.981008 -50.976044 1.00 1.00 1.0000 T
4P* -42.975137 -42.970052 1.00 1.00 1.0000 T
4P -36.321439 -36.316745 2.00 2.00 1.0000 T
4D* -23.227719 -23.222230 2.00 2.00 1.0000 T
4D -21.990710 -21.985156 3.00 3.00 1.0000 T
5S -7.469817 -7.438889 1.00 1.00 0.9996 T
5P* -4.923501 -4.887281 1.00 1.00 0.9982 F
5P -3.830395 -3.787722 2.00 2.00 0.9950 F
4F* -5.269117 -5.261410 3.00 3.00 1.0000 F
4F -5.015410 -5.007479 4.00 4.00 1.0000 F
5D* -0.535208 -0.471416 2.00 2.00 0.8798 F
5D -0.438844 -0.372982 3.00 2.00 0.8505 F
6S -0.447897 -0.372441 1.00 0.00 0.4004 F
Te
E-up(Ry) E-dn(Ry) Occupancy q/sphere core-state
1S -2323.039164 -2323.035820 1.00 1.00 1.0000 T
2S -356.100549 -356.099048 1.00 1.00 1.0000 T
2P* -333.625439 -333.622392 1.00 1.00 1.0000 T
2P -313.450684 -313.447864 2.00 2.00 1.0000 T
3S -70.851197 -70.848181 1.00 1.00 1.0000 T
3P* -61.613361 -61.609911 1.00 1.00 1.0000 T
3P -57.853192 -57.849769 2.00 2.00 1.0000 T
3D* -41.564608 -41.561402 2.00 2.00 1.0000 T
3D -40.778403 -40.775171 3.00 3.00 1.0000 T
4S -12.052589 -12.045197 1.00 1.00 1.0000 T
4P* -8.878596 -8.871057 1.00 1.00 0.9999 T
4P -8.164923 -8.157381 2.00 2.00 0.9999 T
4D* -3.107354 -3.094692 2.00 2.00 0.9965 F
4D -2.999823 -2.986687 3.00 3.00 0.9961 F
5S -1.135690 -1.047498 1.00 1.00 0.7392 F
5P* -0.508181 -0.415232 1.00 1.00 0.5192 F
5P -0.450261 -0.357641 2.00 0.00 0.4739 F
On 2024-02-17 10:43, Peter Blaha wrote:
Hi,
Yes, for sure you can forget the "Blm" and most important are the
"Alm".
There are 2 problems:
You may have some "Clm" (local orbitals), which could be dominating !
While this is probably less important for real "semicore states" as
you may not use them for PES, it might be important for something like
C or O s states or Ti-4s,4p valence states. The problems can be
avoided when modifying case.in1 and removing the local orbitals for
the atoms with low valence states like O-2s, ....; and for the atoms
with semicore states, put the 4s as APW and the 3s as LO (2nd line in
case.in1).
The more critical problem is that the ALMs give you only the amplitude
and phase INSIDE the atomic sphere.
Checkout case.outputst, and you will see how much l-like charge of a
particular atom is within the atomic sphere.
For instance for Ti (RMT=2.25)
3D* -0.355365 -0.246227 2.00 0.00 0.8136 F
4S -0.342909 -0.306636 1.00 1.00 0.1495 F
++++++
it means that 81 % of the 3d charge is inside the sphere, but only
15% of 4s charge.
This has the consequence that a pure 3d state might have a
"alm=sqrt(0.8)", but a PURE 4s state has only alm=sqrt(0.15).
This is the reason, why we introduced the "renormalized partial DOS",
where the interstital DOS is removed and the 3d PDOS will be slightly,
the 4s PDOS strongly enhanced. You should probably use a similar
concept and use the renormalization factors given in the output of a
rendos calculation.
Regards
Peter Blaha
Am 16.02.2024 um 23:28 schrieb pluto:
Dear Oleg, Mikhail, dear Prof. Blaha,
Thank you for the quick answers!
It seems that the Alm (related to the "u") coefficient might be what
I
need, because it refers to the "atomic-like" potential. Perhaps the
Blm coefficient, related to the "u-dot", is "small" in most cases,
also maybe it somehow represents the non-atomic (i.e. non-LCAO)
correction to the electronic state inside the MT sphere? I apologize
if calling "u" of LAPW as being "atomic" is wrong, but maybe it is
not
totally wrong in the spirit of my problem. I am fine with approximate
numbers here, everything in the order of 80%-90% (say referring to
the
final ARPES intensity) would be fine, I think. (The Alm of different
atoms would just control the amplitude and phase interference of the
spherical waves photoemitted from these atoms.)
Does that way of thinking make some sense?
Perhaps it is also the case, that a very large LCAO basis can explain
any band structure, but I think this is not the point, here the goal
is to simplify the problem.
In this physical problem, I cannot live without the complex
coefficients. This is easily understood in graphene, where the "dark
corridor" of ARPES results from the k-dependent phases of the
wave-functions on sites A and B.
Best,
Lukasz
On 2024-02-15 08:40, Peter Blaha wrote:
Hi,
I do not know too much about Wannerization and LCAO models.
However, I'd like to mention the PES program, which is included in
WIEN2k.
It uses the atomic cross sections (as you mentioned), but not the
wavefunctions, but the "renormalized" partial DOS. (This will omitt
the interstital and renormalize in particular the delocalized
orbitals).
It does NOT include phases (interference), but our experience is
quite good - although limited. Check out the PES section in the UG
and
the corresponding paper by Bagheri&Blaha.
Regards
Am 15.02.2024 um 01:41 schrieb pluto via Wien:
Dear All,
I am interested to project WIEN2k band structure onto atomic
orbitals, but getting complex amplitudes. For example, for graphene
Dirac band (formed primarily by C 2pz) I would get two k-dependent
complex numbers A_C2pz(k) and B_C2pz(k), where A and B are the two
inequivalent sites, and these coefficients for other orbitals (near
the Dirac points) would be nearly zero. Of course, for graphene I
can write a TB model and get these numbers, but already for WSe2
monolayer TB model has several bands (TB models for WSe2 are
published but implementing would be time-consuming), and for a
generic material there is often no simple TB model.
Some time ago I looked at the WIEN2k wave functions, but because of
the way LAPW works, it is not a trivial task to project these onto
atomic orbitals. This is due to the radial wave functions, each one
receiving its own coefficient.
I was wondering if I can somehow get such projection automatically
using Wien2Wannier, and later with some Wannier program. I thought
it is good to ask before I invest any time into this.
And I would need it with spin, because I am interested with systems
where SOC plays a role.
The reason I ask:
Simple model of photoemission can be made by assuming coherent
addition of atomic-like photoionization, with additional
k-dependent
initial band amplitudes/phases. One can assume that radial
integrals
in photoemission matrix elements don't have special structure and
maybe just take atomic cross sections of Yeh-Lindau. But one still
needs these complex coefficients to allow for interference of the
emission from different sites within the unit cell. I think for a
relatively simple material such as WSe2 monolayer, the qualitative
result of this might be reasonable. I am not aiming at anything
quantitative since we have one-step-model codes for quantitative.
Any suggestion on how to do this projection (even approximately)
within the realm of WIEN2k would be welcome.
Best,
Lukasz
PD Dr. Lukasz Plucinski
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Phone: +49 2461 61 6684
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