Hey Pine,

Thanks for prod'ing the conversation.  See also the discussion about
Wikipedia's decreasing adaptability on the Wikimedia analytics mailing list
here:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/analytics/2014-October/002651.html

IMO, the critical piece of evidence that English Wikipedia is suffering
from a lack of adaptive flexibility is the lack of any substantial change
to the treatment of newcomers since the massive decline in retention of
good-faith newcomers started in 2007[2].  A secondary piece of evidence is
the increasing resistance to policy/guideline (formalized norm) changes for
all editors, but especially newcomers[3].

We've seen some follow-up work that suggests that Wikipedia's complexity
itself is a barrier for new editors[7] and that these issues extend to
spaces specifically designed to support newcomers' work[6].  There have
been some interesting efforts to address the symptoms of the problem.  For
example, see WP:Teahouse[4], WP:Snuggle[5] and Onboarding Research[8].

Personally, I think that the way forward is to recognize that *hard
problems are hard* because others have tried the easy/intuitive solutions
already.  I think it is time to dig in and understand the fundamental,
socio-technical nature of Wikipedia.  To that end, I'm working on building
data resources of strategic importance (see [9, 10, 11, 12]).  I'm also
working towards experimenting with the effects of increased reflexive power
by surfacing a value-added measurement service[13].  And of course, I'm
advertising our socio-technical problems at research showcase like the one
Pine linked and when giving talks (e.g. [14]) so that we can grow our army
of wiki researchers.

OMG WALL OF REFERENCES:
1. Halfaker, A., Geiger, R. S., Morgan, J. T., & Riedl, J. (2012). The rise
and decline of an open collaboration system: How Wikipedia’s reaction to
popularity is causing its decline. *American Behavioral Scientist*,
0002764212469365.
http://www-users.cs.umn.edu/~halfak/publications/The_Rise_and_Decline/halfaker13rise-preprint.pdf
2.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Desirable_newcomer_survival_over_time.png
from [1] Figure 4, pg. 12
3. Page 17, table 2 and the two pgs preceeding it.
http://www-users.cs.umn.edu/~halfak/publications/The_Rise_and_Decline/halfaker13rise-preprint.pdf
4. Morgan, J. T., Bouterse, S., Walls, H., & Stierch, S. (2013, February).
Tea and sympathy: crafting positive new user experiences on wikipedia.
In *Proceedings
of the 2013 conference on Computer supported cooperative work* (pp.
839-848). ACM. http://jtmorgan.net/jtmorgan/files/morgan_cscw2013_final.pdf
5. Halfaker, A., Geiger, R. S., & Terveen, L. G. (2014, April). Snuggle:
designing for efficient socialization and ideological critique. In *Proceedings
of the 32nd annual ACM conference on Human factors in computing systems* (pp.
311-320). ACM.
http://www-users.cs.umn.edu/~halfak/publications/Snuggle/halfaker14snuggle-preprint.pdf
6. Schneider, J., Gelley, B. S., & Halfaker, A. (2014, August). Accept,
decline, postpone: How newcomer productivity is reduced in English
Wikipedia by pre-publication review. In *Proceedings of The International
Symposium on Open Collaboration* (p. 26). ACM.
http://cse.poly.edu/~gelley/acceptdecline.pdf
7. Ford, H., & Geiger, R. S. (2012, August). Writing up rather than writing
down: Becoming wikipedia literate. In *Proceedings of the Eighth Annual
International Symposium on Wikis and Open Collaboration* (p. 16). ACM.
http://www.opensym.org/ws2012/p21wikisym2012.pdf
8. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Onboarding_new_Wikipedians
9.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Ideas/MediaWiki_events:_a_generalized_public_event_datasource
10.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Editor_Interaction_Data_Extraction_and_Visualization
11.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Automated_Notability_Detection
12. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Revision_scoring_as_a_service
13. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:WikiCredit
14. https://www.si.umich.edu/events/201409/icos-lecture-aaron-halfaker

-Aaron

On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 1:23 AM, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Both of the presentations at the October Wikimedia Research Showcase were
> fascinating and I encourage everyone to watch them [1]. I would like to
> continue to discuss the themes from the showcase about Wikipedia's
> adaptability, viability, and diversity.
>
> Aaron's discussion about Wikipedia's ongoing internal adaptations, and
> the slowing of those adaptations, reminded me of this statement from MIT
> Technology Review in 2013 (and I recommend reading the whole article [2]):
>
> "The main source of those problems (with Wikipedia) is not mysterious. The
> loose collective running the site today, estimated to be 90 percent male,
> operates a crushing bureaucracy with an often abrasive atmosphere that
> deters newcomers who might increase partipcipation in Wikipedia and broaden
> its coverage."
>
> I would like to contrast that vision of Wikipedia with the vision
> presented by User:CatherineMunro (formatting tweaks by me), which I re-read
> when I need encouragement:
>
> "THIS IS AN ENCYCLOPEDIA
> One gateway
> to the wide garden of knowledge,
> where lies
> The deep rock of our past,
> in which we must delve
> The well of our future,
> The clear water
> we must leave untainted
> for those who come after us,
> The fertile earth,
> in which truth may grow
> in bright places,
> tended by many hands,
> And the broad fall of sunshine,
> warming our first steps
> toward knowing
> how much we do not know."
>
> How can we align ouselves less with the former vision and more with the
> latter? [3]
>
> I hope that we can continue to discuss these themes on the Research
> mailing list. Please contribute your thoughts and questions there.
>
> Regards,
>
> Pine
>
> [1] youtube.com/watch?v=-We4GZbH3Iw
>
> [2]
> http://www.technologyreview.com/featuredstory/520446/the-decline-of-wikipedia/
>
> [3] Lest this at first seem to be impossible, I will borrow and tweak a
> quote from from George Bernard Shaw and later used by John F. Kennedy:
> "Some people see things as they are and say, 'Why?' Let us dream things
> that never were and say, 'Why not?'"
>
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