Hi Claudia, On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 11:54 AM, <koltzenb...@w4w.net> wrote: >> but most of the reactions came - unsurprisingly > > good point: and why do you find it unsurprising? because Wikidata is about structured data, which in turn plays a key role in the Semantic Web and in computer sciences more broadly, whereas it is less central to research in most other fields.
>> integration of further fields of research > > the questions here would be: > * into what kind of framework are you expecting to "integrate" other fields > of research? Well, Wikidata, its community and the tools around that. > * what cultures of research will by then be determined as "standard" into > which the others would then be *made to* fit? We are not on a quest to label research cultures, but aim at making data and metadata from various origins more interoperable and more easily accessible to broader communities and general-purpose tools. > btw, this might be a testing perspective re sitting uncomfortably: > where do any results by "the measuring sciences" look strange due to the > framework in which they are presented? Not sure I understand that question. In any case, we are by no means limited to the "measuring sciences" - there may well be no single measurement in those millions of triples that the European Library provides and that we would try to slice into chunks useful for Wikidata. Legal documents, for instance, have been brought up on the talk page, and while I think they will not fit into this first project (we have limited resources and no suitable partner for that), I can well envision follow-ups focusing entirely on issues like that. Cheers, Daniel > <wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > Sent:Fri, 12 Dec 2014 11:05:05 +0100 > Subject:Re: [Wiki-research-l] Wikidata for Research - a research proposal > >> Hi Claudia, >> >> thanks for your comments. While we aim at making Wikidata useful for >> any field of research, even a successfully completed project is >> unlikely to achieve that in one go, so I've changed that phrase to >> "across fields of research". >> >> We have tried to reach out to different disciplines (e.g. >> >> https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Daniel_Mietchen&offset=20141209075732&limit=31&target=Daniel+Mietchen >> and >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Daniel_Mietchen&offset=20141209023643&limit=34&target=Daniel+Mietchen >> as well as via the blog and social media) >> but most of the reactions came - unsurprisingly - from the computer >> science and Semantic Web corners. I think that is OK, since our aim is >> to get the process rolling for a tighter integration of Wikidata with >> research - that's why we also set up the WikiProject and hope that the >> proposal will just be the first of many of its activities. Once the >> first such project has been run (be it ours or a fork thereof or a >> different one), integration of further fields of research should be >> simpler than it is today. >> >> I was reaching out to Europeana, which resulted in the European >> Library signing up to become a partner here, which should help cover >> arts and humanities. I have also reached out to mathematicians but did >> not receive enthusiasm. I specifically asked for databases about >> mathematical concepts or other kind of Wikidata-compatible datasets, >> but did not find any. Pointers most welcome, as are further comments >> and edits. >> >> Thanks and cheers, >> >> Daniel >> >> -- >> >> http://www.naturkundemuseum-berlin.de/en/institution/mitarbeiter/mietchen-daniel/ >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Daniel_Mietchen/Publications >> http://okfn.org >> http://wikimedia.org >> >> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 9:30 AM, <koltzenb...@w4w.net> wrote: >> > Hi Daniel, thank you for your pointer, >> > >> > the claim made in the summary >> > "in any field of research" >> > needs to be substantiated by data that >> > >> > * show the usefulness of the project's expected outcome for research >> > fields >> > in which proofs do not predominantly rely on measurement but >> > predominantly >> > on solidity of argumentation >> > * outline how the bias towards facticity (Mautpreller 2011) in Wikidata >> > disadvantages non-propositional kinds of knowledge even though the >> > purported >> > claim of Wikipedia is to represent "the sum of all knowledge" >> > >> > see also the list of project partners, >> > e.g., representatives of the fields of Maths as well as of Arts & >> > Humanities >> > seem to be missing >> > >> > best, >> > Claudia Koltzenburg >> > koltzenb...@w4w.net >> > My GPG-Key-ID: DDD21523 >> > >> > >> > ---------- Original Message ----------- >> > From:Daniel Mietchen <daniel.mietc...@googlemail.com> >> > To:"wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org" >> > <wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >> > Sent:Fri, 12 Dec 2014 06:55:20 +0100 >> > Subject:[Wiki-research-l] Wikidata for Research - a research proposal >> > >> >> Dear all, >> >> >> >> we are drafting a research proposal on establishing Wikidata as a >> >> virtual research environment, as explained in >> >> >> >> >> >> http://blog.wikimedia.de/2014/12/05/wikidata-for-research-a-grant-proposal-that-anyone-can-edit/ >> >> . >> >> >> >> The proposal is being drafted via >> >> >> >> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Wikidata_for_research >> >> and would benefit from critical review, so we would appreciate your >> >> comments, suggestions and edits. >> >> >> >> Thanks and cheers, >> >> >> >> Daniel >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.naturkundemuseum-berlin.de/en/institution/mitarbeiter/mietchen-daniel/ >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Daniel_Mietchen/Publications >> >> http://okfn.org >> >> http://wikimedia.org >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Wiki-research-l mailing list >> >> Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l >> > ------- End of Original Message ------- >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wiki-research-l mailing list >> > Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki-research-l mailing list >> Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l > ------- End of Original Message ------- > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki-research-l mailing list > Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l > _______________________________________________ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l
