On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 10:50 PM, Kerry Raymond <kerry.raym...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, but when you are one of many English-speaking nations and in a world > where English is widely spoken as a 2nd language, it’s hard to know if > outreach from your chapter has any impact on en.WP. WMF asks for success > metrics / KPIs or whatever you like to call them. Right now it’s hard to > gather any evidence. > What I say below is pretty much just process and pointers, not research related: To the one specific point you raised above: I agree with you, and looking around me I can say that many in WMF do agree with you (and we also know that agreeing is not enough, and we hope to address that soon.). There is a task to track the work https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131280 to release relevant data. Please subscribe to the task to monitor progress if you're interested, and if you want, consider giving it a token if you feel strongly about it. :) Regarding timelines (and keep in mind I'm not in Analytics) Nuria from Analytics says in https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/analytics/2017-January/005654.html that there is hope to have such data out by April 2017. I would keep an eye on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/2016-17_Q4_Goals#Analytics_Engineering to see if this task gets prioritized for Q4 which is the quarter starting April 2017 and ending June 2017. Even if it doesn't get prioritized, it may get done, but it's always more assuring if it does. <https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/analytics/2017-January/005654.html> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/analytics/2017-January/005654.html> Best, Leila > > > Kerry > > > > > > *From:* Gerard Meijssen [mailto:gerard.meijs...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, 24 January 2017 3:46 PM > *To:* Kerry Raymond <kerry.raym...@gmail.com>; Research into Wikimedia > content and communities <wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > *Subject:* Re: [Wiki-research-l] regional KPIs > > > > Hoi, > > What Wikipedia? It is highly likely that articles written about any > subject are written by people who know the language involved. This means > that all articles about the United States are most likely written in > Indonesia when the language is Javanese or in the Netherlands when the > language is Dutch. We know from research that was done in them olden days > that for some languages there are emigre community that writes a lot; this > was true for Napoleatan. > > > > While I understand the interest in the question, what is it we will > benefit from researching this? There is plenty of actionable research we > could do. Or to put it more bluntly, when we seek parameters that may drive > more editing/ quality edits research will be of benefit. When we want to > ensure a more consistent point of view over all our Wikipedias I would > understand the need for research (have ideas on that one). > > Thanks, > > GerardM > > > > On 24 January 2017 at 02:12, Kerry Raymond <kerry.raym...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > As previously came up in discussion about chapters, it would be very > useful to have national data about Wikipedia activities, which can be > determined (generally) from IP addresses. Now I understand the privacy > argument in relation to logged-in users (not saying I agree with it though > in relation to aggregate data). However, can we find a proxy that does not > have the privacy considerations. > > > > My hypothesis is that national content is predominantly written by users > resident in that nation. And that therefore activity on national content > can be used as a proxy for national user editing activity. > > > > In the case of Australia, we could describe Australian national content in > either of two ways: articles within the closure of the > [[Category:Australia]] and/or those tagged as {{WikiProject Australia}}. > There are arguments for/against either (neither is perfect, in my > experience the category closure will tend to have false positives and the > project will tend to have false negatives). > > > > I would like to know what correlation exists between national editor > activity (as determined from IP addresses mapped to location) and national > content edits and if/how it changes over time for various nations. This is > research that only WMF can do because WMF has the IP addresses and the rest > of us can’t have them for privacy reasons. > > > > If we could establish that a strong-enough correlation existed between > them, we could use national content activity (for which there is no privacy > consideration) as a proxy for national editing activity. And we might even > be able to come up with a multiplier for each nation to provide comparable > data for national editing activity. > > > > Now, it may be that we need to restrict the edits themselves in some way > to maximise the correlations between national content and same-nation > editor activity. > > > > My second hypothesis is “semantic” edits (e.g. edits that add large > amounts of content or citation) to national content will be more highly > correlated with same-nation editors than “syntactic” edits (e.g. fix > spelling, punctuation or Manual of Style issues) will be. I suspect most > bots and other automated/semi-automated edits are doing syntactic edits. > > > > Now, some of you will probably be aware of [https://en.wikipedia.org/ > wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2017-01-17/Recent_research Female > Wikipedians aren't more likely to edit women biographies]. So it may well > be that my patriotic-editing hypothesis is also untrue. But it would be > nice to know one way or the other. > > > > Kerry > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki-research-l mailing list > Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki-research-l mailing list > Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l > >
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