Damn, this situation could be good for an article on Uncyclopedia but... this happens on real life!
I'm sorry but I'm not a fluent English speaker so I'm not able to maintain a spoken conversation with you :S but I think this is a general-interest topic and needs some debate and explanation, I agree with the fact that we must protect the kids. But think of that situation: A newcomer attracted for the "Create an account" link wants to get an account. Anonymous are "spammed" everywhere in Wikia to get an account! Think of the "green messages" every time they edit, and the prominent buttons for registering in Monaco skin! Then, when they are convinced to get an account, they fill the form and what? Unable to complete registration?? WTF! NO REASON EXPLAINED about why they can't register. This really upsets people. If when submitted the form, the user couldn't create an account because those "legal reasons" (heh, we couldn't even give a more precisely description because is like a taboo!), a message indicating that "We can't allow people under age x to get an account to protect your privacy/safety/whatever" or a "we need a parental consent to complete registration", when you have how to implement this. I think somebody or the lawyers could get a better explanation. The idea is: you are warned about that. But we aren't responsible if you decide to lie us with your DOB. The important thing here is to give to the user a reason about why the registration failed. Not a "how to bypass the block". I don't want that. But I don't want neither to have some users posting in our forums the creation account problem and to be forced to tell them about this situation. If you need to be strict about that, think that the user name, email address and DOB are collected before that you prevent the registration because DOB, and there's no evidence of that these data is "completely removed" so it could be considered also "illegal" I hope you'll get a good solution for that. PS: What about put the servers in The Pirate Bay :P 2008/9/26 gil penchina wrote: > A well intentioned law - with terrible guidance I admit... I'm all for > protecting kids and keeping them safe. > > Gil > On Sep 25, 2008, at 4:52 PM, Victor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ah, good old COPPA forms. > > On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 6:55 AM, Gil Penchina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> To be clear :-) >> >> The physical letter is a requirement people who might happen to >> encounter the "you can't register" problem that Jesus found related to >> 24 sept 1996 - not for ALL users - just the ones affected by the law >> that I'm told I can't go into detail on. >> >> Jesús Martínez wrote: >> > We're having some reports from users that can't create an account, as >> > I reported on <http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Account_creation_problem> >> > >> > I could reproduce that, but I didn't find any relation between that >> > "Unable to create registration" and the DOB. Now there's a clear >> > relation. >> > >> > Whenever i put a DOB upper than 24 sept 1996 i get this error. If i >> > put a lower DOB, the registration is successful. >> > >> > There's no explanation of why of that error. >> > >> > I edited [[MediaWiki:Userlogin-unable-info]] adding a link to our >> > forums so people could tell us that tere's a problem here, but it >> > could be annoying for us if we receive several complaints and I >> > couldn't explain why they couldn't login. >> > >> > I could add something like "You are under age of X and you can't >> > create an account here because US laws doesn't allow that" in >> > [[MediaWiki:Userlogin-unable-info]], but it's hard to tell that to >> > users that don't edit from the US. >> > >> > We are also affected by that f*ing laws? >> > >> > >> > Prevent people under certain age from registering, and we couldn't >> > tell them the real reson for that? This is *seriously* annoying. >> > >> > >> > 2008/9/23 sannse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> It's a legal thing. >> >> >> >> As we have universal login for 9000+ wikis, it's considered safest for >> >> us to ask for a real date of birth. That way we ensure we do the >> >> right thing for all our varied communities while complying with >> >> federal regulations. >> >> >> >> I've posted the same thing in reply to the forum thread >> >> >> >> -- sannse >> >> >> >> Lisa "sannse" Carter >> >> Wikia Community and Technical Team >> >> http://www.wikia.com >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:29 AM, John Beckett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> wrote: >> >>> A user has complained that when he used "Create an account" on our >> >>> wiki, he was >> >>> required to enter his birth date (he did NOT register, and emailed me >> >>> privately). >> >>> >> >>> On "create account", I don't see a link to a privacy page, nor any >> >>> hint why Wikia >> >>> would collect DOB. If it is to determine identity when a password is >> >>> lost and email >> >>> doesn't work, I think there should be a hint in some additional text >> >>> under "Real >> >>> name is optional". If the DOB is for statistics (like age of users), >> >>> surely you >> >>> should just ask for birth year? >> >>> >> >>> Why is DOB required? I notice that someone else also wants to know: >> >>> http://www.wikia.com/index.php?title=Forum:Birthdate >> >>> >> >>> John >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Wikia-l mailing list >> >>> [email protected] >> >>> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l >> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Wikia-l mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wikia-l mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikia-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > > > > -- > Victor ('Daworm') > AoCWiki Sysop (http://aoc.wikia.com/) > > _______________________________________________ > Wikia-l mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > > _______________________________________________ > Wikia-l mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > _______________________________________________ Wikia-l mailing list [email protected] http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
