| Micru added a comment. |
In T193728#4223211, @Cirdan wrote:CC licences are built within the framework of current copyright law.
That seems to be the main issue, we are thinking about current CC licenses/copyright law without considering that these are a construct that can be changed as society and its needs evolve. I consider more interesting to think about what we would like to achieve eventually, and see how the CC licenses/law (present or future) can assist us in that mission.
In my view Wikipedia/OSM and Wikidata have different philosophies. Wikipedia/OSM rely on their identity to guarantee their existence. Under their brand people gather to "create" content (actually Wikipedia builds on top of other people efforts, but let's not get there now) that can be shared by anyone as long as they attribute the brand. Wikidata on the other hand is purely selfless, there is no need to "pay" for the data with attribution (a kind of gratitude).
While both approaches seem ok in principle, what I would like as a volunteer, and member of the open knowledge ecosystem is to have access to all knowledge. I want to be able to enjoy the freedom of belonging to this movement by sharing my time, energies, and effort to make it thrive. However, I do not want that my effort is duplicated, I want that what I "create" in one website can be reused by all the members of this ecosystem without restriction. It's fine if when I step outside of this bubble other rules apply, but within the bubble of open knowledge I expect as much brotherhood and collaboration as possible.
There would not be the need to talk about licenses if Wikidata would let OSM handle all geographic information, and would integrate more tightly with their systems to allow transclusion. Why does Wikidata need to get into OSM territory when they can do the geographic data handling much better?
Going back to the subject of copyright law, I would like to point out that it was created with a certain paradigm in mind and that we should not restrict ourselves by it. We can still play by the existing rules while creating a different game. In my opinion data release would be more interesting for data creators if we could give them "something" in exchange for their data. We cannot offer them attribution, or money, but we could give them permission to access more data by organizations that have contributed it under the same rules. What we need is not a "share-alike" license, but rather a "contribute-alike" license so that there is more incentive in enriching the commons. Also as a volunteer I find more fair if people who use my work also contribute with their work.
In a way Wikipedia already has a "contribute-alike" agreement, it is just not explicit, but tacit. Users come to the site, access it as they wish, and they are asked to make a donation every once in a while. It is not a contribution in the same way as writing an article, but it is still a contribution which is also necessary to keep the project alive.
As for the original purpose of the ticket it seems that we will have to wait for legal advice. Or if we want to have it more clear then the WMF could sue WMDE for copyright infringement and see what the court decision would be :-)
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