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In https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T127674#2056660, @Izno wrote: > In https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T127674#2056484, @Danny_B wrote: > > > In https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T127674#2055494, @Izno wrote: > > > > > The task associated with the links has been around since 2005. To suggest that a 10 year-old feature request, not disapproved, does not have some sort of consensus, is a bit disingenuous. > > > > > > And that clearly validates what I said. Because if there was an enormous desre and urge, there would have been big push from communities to implement it. (And no, it does not depend on Wikidata, like interlanguage links were not.) > > > The key words are "not disapproved". Nobody said "invalid", nobody said "disapproved". The bug on Bugzilla <http://bugs.wmflabs.org/show_bug.cgi?id=708> has **91** votes. So I would contend that in fact the feature //does// have consensus for implementation across-the-board. Besides votes in Bugzilla were never considered relevant, they can //never substitute local consensuses// on and for single wikis. (AKA users from other projects can't make consensus on behalf of users of such wiki. Imagine that eg. Chinese users (assuming there will be the biggest number all around of them) would vote (thus made consensus by your way of interpretation) on Chinese Wikipedia to make Chines as a site language for all wikis having less than 1M of articles... Would you considered that enough "consensus for implementation across-the-board"?) >>> Sister project links were added as a beta feature cross-wiki; all beta features are opt-in; the implication of which is that it was indeed opt-in to start. >> >> I don't remember any post asking single communities for their consent. AKA if it is opt-in, how come it is enabled on wikis which diod not have any discussion about it thus couldn't give a green light to it? > > Let me rephrase, since you may not have understood what I was referencing. At Special:Preferences, there is a Beta tab. (This is also exposed in the user-header at the top of every page view.) In that Beta tab, there was "Show interproject links", to which editors could opt-in. It was not-only announced, but apparently, thousands of users opted in, which is extraordinary reception for most beta features (per Nemo at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103102#1893580). > > This discussion is largely moot, but in general, do your research before making incorrect claims of fact. Yes, so that was obviously misunderstanding (lost in translation? ;-)), I thought you were referring to different process. Anyway, thousands opted-in where? On which wikis? It should have been taken into consideration the ratio of those who turned it on vs. number of active users on such wiki, and if it was at leas over 50 %, then turn the feature on, otherwise not and definitely wait for opt in consensus. Note to prevent further possible misunderstanding: I do not question the principiality of the feature, I do not say, the principle is bad. But until its //implementation// fulfills various projects needs (as partially described by example in T127673: Ability to set up order and presence of sister projects <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T127673>), it should have never been turned on globally. Re the claiming of fact: Was there any announcement on wikis like: "There will be sisterproject links turned on on your wiki on <date goes here>, if you do not wish so, please <process description goes here>" Being just an ordinary human, I could have simply missed that one, but I clearly do not remember any. Please navigate me to such announcment, thank you. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T127674 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Danny_B Cc: Lydia_Pintscher, Izno, Glaisher, TTO, Aklapper, Danny_B, StudiesWorld, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331 _______________________________________________ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
