Hi, I'd like to return to the naming consistency topic, taken into account that the Wikidata project chose deliberately names like Wikibase/Wikibase client to identify their extension, people will get confused by [1] no matter what and assume that [1] extension is related to the Wikidata project when in fact it isn't.
[1] http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/ Cheers, On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hoi, > The KEY part of OmegaWiki is not so much that it is intended to replace > Wiktionary, it is that it has language and concepts at its heart. This is in > my opinion the only way to look at things .. consider: When you have a word > that needs disambiguation, it follows that the Wikipedia article about that > disambiguation is not a concept in its own right. When there is a red link > on such a disambiguation page, there is no article on that concept yet. > > OmegaWiki is about words and concepts (I intentionally do not use the > OmegaWiki terminology here). Because of this it is possible to have a one to > many relation. Wikipedia articles are an attribute to the words in different > languages associated with a concept.The benefits are great. One of them is > that we can and do have translations without a Wikipedia article but with a > definition. This means that we can provide basic information on a subject in > a language AND people can choose to read a Wikipedia article in a language > they know. > > Given that it is about concepts, we can and do link Commons to the concept > itself and not to Wikipedia. Consider, a rose is a roos in Dutch but it is > as beautiful. > > And when you ask about datastructures like info boxes.. We do support those > too. They are in essence attributes available because a concept is > associated with a "category" for instance Germany is a country. As a > consequence it can be associated with a capitol, countries and seas > bordering them. > > Denny I hope Wikidata is similar because without a concept based structure > it is indeed Wikipedia based and limited in its capabilities. > Thanks, > Gerard > > On 9 May 2012 15:30, Denny Vrandečić <denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de> wrote: >> >> >> >> 2012/5/9 Lydia Pintscher <lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de> >>> >>> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Chris Tophe <kipmas...@gmail.com> >>> wrote:> Concerning collaboration between the two projects, >>> > I am not sure why the new-Wikidata is starting from scratch, and not >>> > from >>> > the >>> > old-Wikidata, but there are probably good reasons for that. >>> > Would anybody know if, in the future, it would be possible to make >>> > OmegaWiki >>> > use the new Wikidata instead of the old one? Or should they stay >>> > separate >>> > projects? >>> >> >> (I am no expert on OmegaWiki, so please excuse me and correct me if I make >> a mistake) >> >> The design and plan for Wikidata/Wikibase (further Wikidata) has a very >> different focus than OmegaWiki/Wikidata (further OmegaWiki). >> * Our first aim for Wikidata is to support the Wikipedias (and then also >> other projects). Thus Wikidata talks about items and their properties, the >> items being the topics of the respective Wikipedia articles. >> * OmegaWiki is geared towards replacing the Wiktionaries. Thus OmegaWiki >> talks about words and their translations, the meaning of the words being >> given by their defined meaning. >> >> Although both involves structured data, the kind of structure is very >> different. The workflows are very different. I was checking OmegaWiki again >> and again while writing the proposal for Wikidata, getting inspired in how >> things are done there, thinking about the differences in the workflow, etc., >> but in the end, although I find OmegaWiki a fascinating project (and did so >> since 2005, when I heard of it for the first time from Gerard) I did not see >> sufficient overlap in order to investigate the code further. >> >> If I am mistaken, I would be very happy to actually see the features that >> you think we can steal from OmegaWiki or the other way around. I guess a >> chat would make sense at some point? >> >> Cheers, >> Denny >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Project director Wikidata >> Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Obentrautstr. 2 | 10963 Berlin >> Tel. +49-30-219 158 26-0 | http://wikimedia.de >> >> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. >> Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter >> der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für >> Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikidata-l mailing list >> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > _______________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
