Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 16:24:49 +0200
From: psychosl...@culture-libre.org
To: wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org; wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikidata-l] Page history and properties
Le 2013-04-08 15:54, Luca Martinelli a écrit :
> 2013/4/8 Mathieu Stumpf <psychosl...@culture-libre.org>:
>> Le 2013-04-08 15:02, Luca Martinelli a écrit :
>>
>>> What I tried to say is: we don't mind if we go back in a page
>>> history
>>> and find a red link to a template, nobody cares, because we all
>>> know
>>> that a template has been deleted/substituted *for a reason* -
that
>>> we
>>> even discussed for a VERY long time. What we DO care is that the
>>> article has *right now* the correct data - and this will be
easier
>>> with Wikidata. I wouldn't have been its main sponsor in it.wp,
if
>>> it
>>> wasn't for this.
>>
>>
>> When I look in the history, I want to see the data which where
used
>> then :
>> there are the correct data of this history context. The "current"
>> page may
>> be automaticaly edited to match the current wikidata entries it
>> refers to,
>> but this changes should appears in the history, just like it's
done
>> with
>> bots.
>>
>> So, no, I don't care that the last revision of an article uses
the
>> "correct
>> data", because "correct data" is an ambiguous term. What I hope
to
>> see, is
>> that the last revision article uses the last revision of the
>> wikidata
>> entries it needs; or at least the value it had the last time that
a
>> commit
>> was made to update this value. And when I look in the history, I
>> want to see
>> the value that the article used to use then. Otherwise it would
be
>> history
>> counterfeiting.
>
> Ok, I give up. Ask the devs to solve this problem, open a bug
about
> it, whatever.
Sorry, I didn't want to upset anyone.
> For the records I *do not* see as a problem as of now, since IMVHO
> we've got other priorities to deal with - first of all: filling
the
> items with statements, and possibly completing the statements with
> sources, in order to make the data on Wikidata usable on
Wikipedia.
Ok, do you mean making a bug report on
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/
?
If so I would welcome any advise to make a bug report as relevant as
possible.
To my mind it would be realy like put the cart before the horse if
we
began to feed articles with wikidata before we have a proper history
management. I understand the willing to be able to use this bright
new
tool. I **do** share your exitement here. But if you take a step
backward, there's no urge to go into a situation possibly harmful
for
the credibility of our "will to be reliable through transparency".
So, before I make a bug report, can anyone confirm me that as it is
today, wikidata invokation in previous revision of a page will fail
to
provide the relevant data, that is, the data which was returned at
the
time the revision was in use. More generaly, could developers/admins
confirm me that data update would not appear in the article history.
Because it seems to me that I saw such entries with the interlang
migration, so until now I supposed that any change in wikidata would
rise a new revision with a commit message in each article using this
data.
Kind regards,
mathieu
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