Thinking about it again, and discussing it internally, maybe we should replace "word" with "expression" and "meaning" with "sense"?
Any +1's or differing opinions? 2013/6/20 Denny Vrandečić <denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de> > The current proposal does not cover grammar rules explicitly. If at all, I > would regard that as a later extension once the lexical information is in > place. Also, my limited understanding of the topic does not even allow for > coming up with a data model to cover grammar rules, or to know whether > there is something like sufficiently widely accepted models to represent > grammar, or if there are still discussions whether Chomsky or Systemic > Functional Grammars or whatever else would make the cut... > > Regarding "word" vs "expression" - I do not care much about the actual > term, and it seems that both seem valid. With the suggested change from > "meaning" to "word sense" though, it might make more sense to keep "word" > here. But as said, no strong opinion here. I definitively see that saying > that <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/carry_coals_to_Newcastle> is a "word" > is kinda weird. "expression" would fix that. > > Any further opinions? > > Cheers, > Denny > > > > > 2013/6/19 David Cuenca <dacu...@gmail.com> > >> Hi Denny, >> >> Thank you very much for this fantastic update about the intentions of >> supporting a semantic dictionary in Wikidata :) >> Just a minor correction: I think instead of "word", it should be >> "expression" because some languages don't follow the same logic. >> >> On the other hand, do you think it would be possible to accommodate >> grammar rules too? >> I have added some people from Apertium that might have some insights >> about it. >> >> Cheers, >> Micru >> >> On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Denny Vrandečić < >> denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de> wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I would like all interested in the interaction of Wikidata and >>> Wiktionary to take a look at the following proposal. It is trying to serve >>> all use cases mentioned so far, and remain still fairly simple to implement. >>> >>> <http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wiktionary> >>> >>> To the best of our knowledge, we have checked all discussions on this >>> topic, and also related work like OmegaWiki, Wordnet, etc., and are >>> building on top of that. >>> >>> I would extremely appreciate if some liaison editors could reach out to >>> the Wiktionaries in order to get a wider discussion base. We are currently >>> reading more on related work and trying to improve the proposal. >>> >>> It would be great if we could keep the discussion on the discussion page >>> on the wiki, so to bundle it a bit. Or at least have pointers there. >>> >>> <http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:Wiktionary> >>> >>> Note that we are giving this proposal early. Implementation has not >>> started yet (obviously, otherwise the discussion would be a bit moot), and >>> this is more a mid-term commitment (i.e. if the discussion goes smoothly, >>> it might be implemented and deployed by the end of the year or so, although >>> this depends on the results of the discussion obviously). >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Denny >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Project director Wikidata >>> Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Obentrautstr. 72 | 10963 Berlin >>> Tel. +49-30-219 158 26-0 | http://wikimedia.de >>> >>> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. >>> Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter >>> der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für >>> Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Etiamsi omnes, ego non > > > > > -- > Project director Wikidata > Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Obentrautstr. 72 | 10963 Berlin > Tel. +49-30-219 158 26-0 | http://wikimedia.de > > Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. > Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter > der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für > Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. > -- Project director Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Obentrautstr. 72 | 10963 Berlin Tel. +49-30-219 158 26-0 | http://wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.
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