First they ignore you, then they fight you ... :)

and eventually evrebody wins !

2015-11-21 13:56 GMT+01:00 Markus Krötzsch <mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org>:

> On 21.11.2015 12:21, Jane Darnell wrote:
>
>> +1
>> I think many Wikipedians are control freaks who like to think their
>> articles are the endpoint in any internet search on their article
>> subjects. We really need to suppress the idea that the data they have
>> curated so painstakingly over the years is less valuable because it is
>> not on Wikidata or disagrees with data on Wikidata in some way. We can
>> and should let these people continue to thrive on Wikipedia without
>> pressuring them to look at their data on Wikidata, which might confuse
>> and overwhelm them. They figured out Wikipedia at some point and
>> presumably some of them have figured out Commons. In future they may
>> figure out Wikidata, but that will be on their own terms and in their
>> own individual way.
>>
>>
> Yes, one can also understand the point of view of many seasoned
> Wikipedians. Because of the popularity of the platform, large parts of
> their daily work consist in defending "their" content against all kinds of
> absurd ideas and changes for the worse. Rather than writing new, better
> content, their main work is in rejecting content that is worse. They
> therefore are spending a lot of time on talk pages, having debates with
> people whom most of us would simply ignore on the Internet, but which they
> cannot ignore if they want to protect what has been achieved already. Doing
> this is hard work, since Wikipedia rejects the notion of personal standing
> or seniority as a basis for "trusting" someone to be right -- every puny
> battle of opinions has to be fought out on the talk page. The only thing to
> allude to is some abstract notion of "quality" -- and a complex system of
> policies and processes.
>
> This tough work hardens people and gives them a negative bias towards
> change, especially towards process changes that might lead to reduced
> control. They worry (not unreasonably!) that Wikidata does not have this
> community of gate keepers that can fend off the irrational and the
> misguided. They also worry that they themselves may not have enough time to
> take on this task, watching yet another site in addition to what they
> already do in their Wikipedias.
>
> Conversely, people on Wikidata are (not unreasonably!) frustrated when
> being met with the same distrust as the average Internet freak that
> Wikipedians are fighting off on a daily basis, rather than being accepted
> as members of the Wikimedia community who are working towards the same goal.
>
> Considering all this, it is amazing what has been achieved already :-)
>
> Markus
>
>
>
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