First they ignore you, then they fight you ... :) and eventually evrebody wins !
2015-11-21 13:56 GMT+01:00 Markus Krötzsch <mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org>: > On 21.11.2015 12:21, Jane Darnell wrote: > >> +1 >> I think many Wikipedians are control freaks who like to think their >> articles are the endpoint in any internet search on their article >> subjects. We really need to suppress the idea that the data they have >> curated so painstakingly over the years is less valuable because it is >> not on Wikidata or disagrees with data on Wikidata in some way. We can >> and should let these people continue to thrive on Wikipedia without >> pressuring them to look at their data on Wikidata, which might confuse >> and overwhelm them. They figured out Wikipedia at some point and >> presumably some of them have figured out Commons. In future they may >> figure out Wikidata, but that will be on their own terms and in their >> own individual way. >> >> > Yes, one can also understand the point of view of many seasoned > Wikipedians. Because of the popularity of the platform, large parts of > their daily work consist in defending "their" content against all kinds of > absurd ideas and changes for the worse. Rather than writing new, better > content, their main work is in rejecting content that is worse. They > therefore are spending a lot of time on talk pages, having debates with > people whom most of us would simply ignore on the Internet, but which they > cannot ignore if they want to protect what has been achieved already. Doing > this is hard work, since Wikipedia rejects the notion of personal standing > or seniority as a basis for "trusting" someone to be right -- every puny > battle of opinions has to be fought out on the talk page. The only thing to > allude to is some abstract notion of "quality" -- and a complex system of > policies and processes. > > This tough work hardens people and gives them a negative bias towards > change, especially towards process changes that might lead to reduced > control. They worry (not unreasonably!) that Wikidata does not have this > community of gate keepers that can fend off the irrational and the > misguided. They also worry that they themselves may not have enough time to > take on this task, watching yet another site in addition to what they > already do in their Wikipedias. > > Conversely, people on Wikidata are (not unreasonably!) frustrated when > being met with the same distrust as the average Internet freak that > Wikipedians are fighting off on a daily basis, rather than being accepted > as members of the Wikimedia community who are working towards the same goal. > > Considering all this, it is amazing what has been achieved already :-) > > Markus > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata mailing list > Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >
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