Hi Moritz,
On 03.02.2016 15:25, Schubotz, Moritz wrote:
Hi Markus,
I think we agree on the goals cf. http://arxiv.org/abs/1404.6179
By the way the texvc dialect is now 13 years old at least.
For now it's required to be 100% compatible to the texvc dialect in order to
use wikidata in Mediawiki instances.
However, for the future there are also plans to support more markup.
But all new options are blocked by https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T74240
Mathoid, the service that converts the texvc dialect to MathML, SVG + PNG can
also be used without a MediaWiki instance.
I posted links to the Restbase Web UI before.
api.formulasearchengine.com (with experimental features)
de.wikipedia.org/api (stable)
This is the API you said "has been opened to the public just moments
ago" and which describes itself as "currently in beta testing"? That
seems a bit shaky to say the least. In your email, you said that this
API was for extracting LaTeX package names and identifiers, not for
rendering content, so I have not looked at it for this purpose. How does
this compare to MathJax in terms of usage? Are the output types similar?
It seems your solution adds the dependency on an external server, so
this cannot be used in offline mode, I suppose? How does it support
styling of content for your own application, e.g., how do you select the
fonts to be used?
I think we agree that real documentation should be a bit more than an
unexplained link in an email. Anyway, it is not your role to provide
documentation on new Wikidata features or to make sure that stakeholders
are taken along when new features are deployed, so don't worry too much
about this. I am sure your students did a good job implementing this,
and from there on it is really in other people's hands.
Cheers,
Markus
Am 03.02.2016 um 14:31 schrieb Markus Krötzsch:
Hi Moritz,
I must say that this is not very reassuring. So basically what we have in this
datatype now is a "LaTeX-like" markup language that is only supported by one
implementation that was created for MediaWiki, and partially by a LaTeX package
that you created.
Markus, this TeX dialoect is not a new invention by Moritz. It's what the Math
extension for MediaWiki has been using for over a decade now, and it's used on
hundreds of thousands of pages on Wikipedia. All that we are doing now is making
this same exact syntax available for property values on wikibase, using the same
exact code for rendering it.
I think having consistent handling for math formulas between wikitext and
wikibase is the right thing to do. Of course it would have been nice for
MediaWiki to not invent it's own TeX dialect for this, but it's 10 years to late
for that complaint now.
Moritz, I seem to recall that the new Math extension uses a standalone service
for rendering TeX to PNG, SVG, or MathML. Can that service easily be used
outside the context of MediaWiki?
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