It's great how this discussion evolves - thanks to everybody! Technically, I completely agree that in practice it may prove impossible to predict the load a query will produce. Relational databases have invested years and years in query optimization (e.g., Oracles cost based optimizer, which relies on extended statistics gathered during runtime), and I can't see that similar investments are possible for triple stores.
What I could imagine for public endpoints is the SPARQL engine monitoring and prioritizing queries: the longer a query already runs, or the more resources it has already used, the lower its priority is re-scheduled (up to some final limit). But this is just a theoretical consideration, I'm not aware of any system that implements anything like this - and it could be implemented only in the engine itself. For ZBWs SPARQL endpoints, I've implemented a much simpler three-level strategy, which does not involve the engine at all: 1. Endpoints which drive production-level services (e.g. autosuggest or retrieval enhancement functions). These endpoints run on separate machines and offer completely encapsulated services via a public API (http://zbw.eu/beta/econ-ws), without any direct SPARQL access. 2. Public "beta" endpoints (http://zbw.eu/beta/sparql). These offer unrestricted SPARQL access, but without any garanties about performance or availability - though of course I do my best to keep these up and running. They run on an own virtual machine, and should not hurt any other parts of the infrastructure when getting overloaded or out of control. 3. Public "experimental" endpoints. These include in particular an endpoint for the GND dataset with 130m triples. It was mainly created for internal use because (to my best knowledge) no other public GND endpoint exists. The endpoint is not linked from the GND pages of DNB, and I've advertised it very low-key on a few mailing lists. For these experimental endpoints, we reserve the right to shut them down for the public if they get flooded with more requests than they can handle. It may be of interest, that up to now, on none of these public endpoints we came across issues with attacks or evil-minded queries (which were a matter of concern when I started this in 2009), nor with longer-lasting massive access. Of course, that is different for Wikidata, where the data is of interest for _much_ more people. But if anyhow affordable, I'd like to encourage offering some kind of experimental access with really wide limits in an "unstable" setting, in addition to the reliable services. For most people who just want to check out something, it's not an option to download the whole dataset and set up an infrastructure for it. For us, this was an issue with even the much smaller GND set. The Linked data fragments approach Osma mentioned is very interesting (particularly the bit about setting it up on top of an regularily updated existing endpoint), and could provide another alternative, but I have not yet experimented with it. Have a fine weekend - Joachim -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Wikidata [mailto:wikidata-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] Im Auftrag von Markus Krötzsch Gesendet: Freitag, 12. Februar 2016 09:44 An: Discussion list for the Wikidata project. Betreff: Re: [Wikidata] SPARQL CONSTRUCT results truncated On 12.02.2016 00:04, Stas Malyshev wrote: > Hi! > >> We basically have two choices: either we offer a limited interface >> that only allows for a narrow range of queries to be run at all. Or >> we offer a very general interface that can run arbitrary queries, but >> we impose limits on time and memory consumption. I would actually >> prefer the first option, because it's more predictable, and doesn't get >> people's hopes up too far. What do you think? > > That would require implementing pretty smart SPARQL parser... I don't > think it worth the investment of time. I'd rather put caps on runtime > and maybe also on parallel queries per IP, to ensure fair access. We > may also have a way to run longer queries - in fact, we'll need it > anyway if we want to automate lists - but that is longer term, we'll > need to figure out infrastructure for that and how we allocate access. +1 Restricting queries syntactically to be "simpler" is what we did in Semantic MediaWiki (because MySQL did not support time/memory limits per query). It is a workaround, but it will not prevent long-running queries unless you make the syntactic restrictions really severe (and thereby forbid many simple queries, too). I would not do it if there is support for time/memory limits instead. In the end, even the SPARQL engines are not able to predict reliably how complicated a query is going to be -- it's an important part of their work (for optimising query execution), but it is also very difficult. Markus > _______________________________________________ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata _______________________________________________ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
