Hi Biyanto, I think discussing this in English will be hard, as it seems English doesn't split out the different concepts...
Going by the French & German, Q315 (Langage \ Sprache) is the abstract concept of language (the ability to convey concepts) and Q34770 (Langue \ Einzelsprachen) is "a language". So perhaps it would be more correct to say that, for example, English is an instance of Q34770. *However*, Q4536530 seems to also cover the abstract Langage concept, and Q315 is marked as a subclass of Q4536530. It feels like we have three items covering two concepts - but all three have articles in German so maybe there's still another concept? Argh. I think we need a (German-speaking?) linguist to sort this one out. Do we have one on the list? :-) Andrew. On 13 June 2016 at 14:06, Biyanto Rebin <biyanto.re...@wikimedia.or.id> wrote: > Thank you Gerard, > I usually leave it empty for the language that I couldn't find. > > Another question, > Wikidata have two different item for close term, language in Q315 and > language (in linguistics) in Q34770. > It's important thing because when I randomly check some of Wikidata using > Q315 or Q34770. > Any idea how to solve this problem? > > 2016-06-13 14:14 GMT+07:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>: >> >> Hoi, >> The language committee agreed that recognised languages of the iso 639-3 >> that indicate single languages may be used without asking on Wikidata. All >> the rest is not covered and consequently needs permission. A code like no >> for Norwegian is not accepted for instance (indicating both nn and nb). >> Thanks, >> GerardM >> >> On 13 June 2016 at 09:04, Biyanto Rebin <biyanto.re...@wikimedia.or.id> >> wrote: >>> >>> What do you mean with permission? Is it regarding with Wikimedia language >>> code? I usually left the ISO 693-3 code if I couldn't find it. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> 2016-06-11 0:53 GMT+07:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>: >>>> >>>> Hoi, >>>> When a language cannot be matched to an ISO-639-3 code, it is necessary >>>> to ask for permission from the Language Committee first. >>>> Thanks, >>>> GerardM >>>> >>>> On 10 June 2016 at 07:34, Biyanto Rebin <biyanto.re...@wikimedia.or.id> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I use the code that is made by Statistics Indonesia, it's in PDF >>>>> format. Unfortunately, Indonesian government's language body, likely doesn't >>>>> have their own code. Some of language in Indonesia still doesn't have any >>>>> ISO 639-3. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> >>>>> 2016-06-10 0:36 GMT+07:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hoi, >>>>>> Hear hear !! >>>>>> >>>>>> For your information all languages with an ISO-639-3 code may be >>>>>> enabled on Wikidata. In time it will prove important for any and all >>>>>> languages to have many labels in their language. >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> GerardM >>>>>> >>>>>> On 9 June 2016 at 18:53, Andy Mabbett <a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 9 June 2016 at 05:42, Biyanto Rebin >>>>>>> <biyanto.re...@wikimedia.or.id> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > PS: I'm making WikiProjects Languages in Indonesia, anyone who want >>>>>>> > to join >>>>>>> > please let me know :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is great news, and deserving of its own thread. 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