Hoi,, Jane sorry but that is not how it is. At the time there was a request for a new property. The discussion went into the never never land of personal opinions. It ended with the suggestion of using the catalog property. This suggestion was accepted. Literally thousands of edits were made as a consequence and a new purpose was given to Wikidata. It has been used as scaffolding for new articles in Wikipedia (yes, the items created are all notable under English Wikipedia rules).
The issue is all about notability, inclusion and diversity. Just to remind you, in a paper written about Wikidata it has been noted that the practices around constraints are preventing diversity... The issue is also about trust and purpose. When a well established organisation like the Black Lunch Table uses Wikidata, they can use Listeria lists to produce lists for upcoming editathons. They use query to monitor the development of new articles and information for past editathons. All the items that are marked with Black Lunch table have seen a considerable amount of edits since the start of the use of Wikidata. It was a huge quality improvement over using spreadsheets and Wikipedia lists. Jane, I have been involved in the initial setup of several catalogs. The lists I have been involved in are backed by organisations like the Smithsonian, the Library of the New York Botanical Garden, the Cisneros foundation. These are not trivial organisations. Jane, I have helped with the setup and I have monitored development. In your arguments I find a lack of understanding of what has happened and an apologetic stance where the policies are to justify what is in effect unacceptable consequences. What I notice is a huge lack of trust. A lack of understanding of the situation, a lack of appreciation that there are multiple and acceptable purposes for Wikidata and that this is one. The current situation is that the deletions have been reverted. There is now a need of discussion of acceptable purposes for Wikidata and key should be diversity and inclusion in stead of doctrine and exclusion. Thanks, Now On 4 January 2018 at 10:32, Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> wrote: > Brill Lyle, > It seems you have not reached consensus to use the catalog property in the > way you have been doing, and your edits are now being reverted after not > responding to various objections that can be seen in the links you have > provided. If the "Black Lunch Table" catalog is published, either online or > in book form, then you can reference the link to it on items using "catalog > code" combined with "catalog=Black Lunch Table" with quick statements. > Apparently you haven't done that, probably because the website that links > from the item for "Black Lunch Table" holds no intormation about the > subject items you have been editing besides the notice "Stay Tuned for Our > Official Website". You can better wait until the website is published with > the database before adding statements on Wikidata. Maybe you just > misunderstood how to reference your statements. I understand why people > involved with Wikidata quality (Sjoerd and others) objected because it now > just looks like you added a statement about someone who ate lunch at a > library. That really is not very useful information for Wikidata and gives > the reader no way to confirm the information besides contacting the editor > (you) via the history page of the item. This is not acceptable behavior on > any Wiki project, and Wikidata is a wiki like any other. Here is a > reversion you object to, but I must say I agree with the reverter, sorry. > https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q27990022&; > type=revision&diff=616257669&oldid=517374868 > > Jane > > On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 10:03 PM, Brill Lyle <wp.brilll...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> So User:Multichill has taken it upon himself to delete all of the catalog >> entries for the Black Lunch Table. One of the first if not only successful >> implementations of Wikidata as a task list for Wikipedia. >> >> There are other initiatives also using catalog, which I assume will also >> be deleted. >> >> Beyond the fact that this destroys hundreds of hours of work, it also >> negatively impacts outreach. >> >> If there was an alternative to catalog that could be used that would be >> one thing. If there was discussion about this action, that would also be >> one thing. But this wholesale destruction of outreach is unacceptable. >> >> https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contribut >> ions/Multichill&offset=&limit=500&target=Multichill >> >> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Multichill#Black_Lunch_Table >> >> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P972#Abuse_of_th >> is_property_for_original_research >> >> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_deletion >> s#Artist_of_Black_Lunch_Table >> >> I am beside myself. I have been heavily evangelizing Wikidata in its >> integration with Wikipedia, especially multiple language Wikipedias. >> >> This was such a hostile unconstructive act, I am beside myself. >> >> This catalog tag was meant to be used to support various En Wiki outreach >> initiatives which address gender gap and diversity on the projects. What >> has happened here has very seriously negatively impacted that work. >> >> I am asking for support here. If the property was not okay, which after >> much discussion there seemed to be a consensus it was fine, then the >> opportunity to find other solutions should have been made, versus deleting >> all that work. >> >> - Erika >> >> *Erika Herzog* >> Wikipedia *User:BrillLyle <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BrillLyle>* >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikidata mailing list >> Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata mailing list > Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata > >
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