Hi James,
On 24-09-18 20:08, James Heald wrote:
The problem, if you don't put something on the wikipage itself, is how
then do you determine which [[John A. Smith]] a redlink was intended
to refer to, if there is more than one possibility.
That's a classic disambiguation problem. Most Wikipedia's seem to be
pretty good at dealing with these. At least for the Dutch Wikipedia I
know people working on disambiguation are quite active and I encounter
quite a few disambiguated red links. If this would really become an
issue, a qualifier could be used to track based on what article (it's
linked item) the link was made. So in the case of Friedrich Ris, that
would be https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1624113
(https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aethriamanta_aethra).
Maarten
But Maarten is right, that at least on en-wiki, the suggestion of
adding templates to link to Wikidata content has met with considerable
hostility, expressed in two recent RfCs:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Archive_202#RfC:_Linking_to_wikidata
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Archive_204#New_RFC_on_linking_to_Wikidata
-- James.
On 24/09/2018 18:48, Maarten Dammers wrote:
Hi everyone,
According to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLuM4E6IE5U : "Semantic
annotation is the process of attaching additional information to
various concepts (e.g. people, things, places, organizations etc) in
a given text or any other content. Unlike classic text annotations
for reader's reference, semantic annotations are used by machines to
refer to."
(more at
https://ontotext.com/knowledgehub/fundamentals/semantic-annotation/ )
On Wikipedia a red link is a link to an article that hasn't been
created (yet) in that language. Often another language does have an
article about the subject or at least we have a Wikidata item about
the subject. Take for example
https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Friedrich_Ris . It has
over 250 incoming links, but the person doesn't have an article in
Dutch. We have a Wikidata item with links to 7 Wikipedia's at
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q116510 , but no way to relate
https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Friedrich_Ris with
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q116510 .
Wouldn't it be nice to be able to make a connection between the red
link on Wikipedia and the Wikidata item?
Let's assume we have this list somewhere. We would be able to offer
all sorts of nice features to our users like:
* Hover of the link to get a hovercard in your favorite backup language
* Generate an article placeholder for the user with basic information
in the local language
* Pre-populate the translate extension so you can translate the
article from another language
(probably plenty of other good uses)
Where to store this link? I'm not sure about that. On some
Wikipedia's people have tested with local templates around the red
links. That's not structured data, clutters up the Wikitext, it
doesn't scale and the local communities generally don't seem to like
the approach. That's not the way to go. Maybe a better option would
be to create a new property on Wikidata to store the name of the
future article. Something like Q116510: Pxxx -> (nl)"Friedrich Ris".
Would be easiest because the infrastructure is there and you can just
build tools on top of it, but I'm afraid this will cause a lot of
noise on items. A couple of suggestions wouldn't be a problem, but
what is keeping people from adding the suggestion in 100 languages?
Or maybe restrict the usage that a Wikipedia must have at least 1 (or
n) incoming links before people are allowed to add it?
We could create a new projects on the Wikimedia Cloud to store the
links, but that would be quite the extra time investment setting up
everything.
What do you think?
Maarten
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