"We arranged it so that rules are extremely important and must be obeyed at all costs--otherwise we couldn't use the rules as a bludgeon against troublemakers"
Not for notability. We've never boxed ourselves in that much. WP:N remains a guideline, and in fact says it will not always be applicable. it's not a question of an article being justified buy Notability OR something else. Hiding's proposal, which I have modified a little, is saying that Notability is defined by either the general notability guideline OR by other factors. There's a tendency to assume that the GNG is identical to the concept of notability; we could still have notability guidelines if we removed the GNG entirely, or used it only as a last resort if there was not other basis for deciding. That last phrase is what I'd prefer, but I do not think there is agreement on it , at least not yet. I do think there's agreement to consider notability using both the GNG and other factors, co-ordinately. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Ken Arromdee<arrom...@rahul.net> wrote: > On Wed, 1 Jul 2009, Surreptitiousness wrote: >> Currently there is too much bickering and too >> many people interested more in "fighting the good fight" than accepting >> [[WP:IAR]]. > > There's a reason for this: In a dispute, the side who can point to a rule gets > to win. If there are two sides of a dispute, one pointing to a rule, the > other saying to use IAR, the IAR loses. It's how we've set up the system. > We arranged it so that rules are extremely important and must be obeyed at > all costs--otherwise we couldn't use the rules as a bludgeon against > troublemakers. Now that we have placed such importance on rules, it turns > out that rules can also be used as a bludgeon by rule-wonks. > > > _______________________________________________ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l