On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 2:47 PM, David Gerard<dger...@gmail.com> wrote: > 2009/7/18 Carcharoth <carcharot...@googlemail.com>:
<snip> >> You may want to look through the >> BAPLA list and see if any charities or non-profit organisations are >> there - there might well be, as I've never looked through the whole >> list, but I suspect that even those ones would be selling their >> images, not distributing them for free reuse (or they would be doing a >> combination of free distribution and sales). The closest you might >> come would be "non-commercial use" (e.g. museums), but that, as has >> been made clear at Commons, is insufficiently free. > > BAPLA's stated ambitions appear to be to become the monopoly cartel > for images in the UK - the RIAA or MPAA, with similar morals and > ethics. Where do you get that impression? They are a trade association. Did you look through the list? http://www.bapla.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=16&Itemid=45 You may also want to look at the sister organisations: "PACA in the USA and CEPIC across Europe". Picture Archive Council of America: http://www.pacaoffice.org/ "PACA, the Picture Archive Council of America, is the trade organization in North America that represents the vital interests of stock archives of every size, from individual photographers to large corporations, who license images for commercial reproduction. Founded in 1951, its membership includes over 100 companies in North America and over 50 international members." Co-ordination of European Picture Agencies Press Stock Heritage: http://www.cepic.org/ "CEPIC is a European Economic Interest Group (E.E.I.G) not for profit representing the interests of picture associations, agencies and libraries in Europe, in total 1.053 picture agencies and libraries in Europe, from the smallest to the largest, the sole trader and the global company, covering all aspects of photography, news, stock, heritage. CEPIC organises each year an Agent Congress, enabling agents from all over the world to meet. " It's a big industry (though many of the picture libraries are vanishingly small and many get swallowed up by the giants). I think most of it is photographers taking contemporary pictures and selling them (remember this is mostly stock photography, news photography is something different - Commons is interesting in that it combines news photography and stock photography). Note the reference to "news, stock, heritage" in the CEPIC description. The bit of interest here is "heritage", though the very oldest of the news photography is now falling into the public domain. How much of the worldwide sales of images consists of sales from scans of archives of public domain and historical material (or, for example, the commercial sale of US-PD material, such as NASA and Library of Congress), I don't know, but that is only part of the industry. The main part is living photographers selling their photographs (news and stock). The heritage or archival side of things, the historical photos and scans of pictures in old books, makes up a chunk of it, but how much I don't know if anyone knows. The different sources and provenances for such images (and the sometimes uncertain status of archives) complicates things as well. Carcharoth _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l